War for Westeros

[Uriyaca]

how is it a loophole in the game engine?

It was a loophole in Empy's deffences, thats all

[Emperor of Hell]

Stannis Baratheon has been an arrogant usurper. Claiming that he'd beat the crap out of me. Well well well.




King's Landing was besieged. Brave king Joffrey and Lord Commander Janos Slynt of the City Watch were in charge of the defense. They were outnumbered but Stannis' army was mainly peasants and the well trained Gold Cloaks could easily hold them off. Still, they were too many but in the middle of the battle Lancel and Tyrek Lannister, King Robert's squires, appeared with a Lannister host. They attacked Stannis' army in the back and crushed his remaining men. Stannis himself, the coward, was the first one to reach his ship with several of his men. Ser Lancel and Ser Tyrek have been knighted for their performance in this battle and Lord Commander Janos Slynt will be given the lordship of Driftmark when the royal forces retake it.

They say Stannis never smiles. I gave him a red smile.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Stannis' main host was in the Crownlands, but separated from his leaders. Lord Aurane Waters and Osmund Hayford, and Allard Massey rallied all of the remaining Crownland forces and sieged all these armies, hidden in their forts. Next turn they will bend the knee or I'll destroy them.

Starky Starky up!

[Riverknight]

Stannis Baratheon has been an arrogant usurper. Claiming that he'd beat the crap out of me. Well well well.




King's Landing was besieged. Brave king Joffrey and Lord Commander Janos Slynt of the City Watch were in charge of the defense. They were outnumbered but Stannis' army was mainly peasants and the well trained Gold Cloaks could easily hold them off. Still, they were too many but in the middle of the battle Lancel and Tyrek Lannister, King Robert's squires, appeared with a Lannister host. They attacked Stannis' army in the back and crushed his remaining men. Stannis himself, the coward, was the first one to reach his ship with several of his men. Ser Lancel and Ser Tyrek have been knighted for their performance in this battle and Lord Commander Janos Slynt will be given the lordship of Driftmark when the royal forces retake it.

They say Stannis never smiles. I gave him a red smile.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Stannis' main host was in the Crownlands, but separated from his leaders. Lord Aurane Waters and Osmund Hayford, and Allard Massey rallied all of the remaining Crownland forces and sieged all these armies, hidden in their forts. Next turn they will bend the knee or I'll destroy them.

Starky Starky up!

my diplo was awkwardly standing there, in the middle of the battle.... "HEH"

[Uriyaca]

Yay you used my save

I actually very much doubt I can lift the siege off my men in the Crownlands, as they are damanged from the battle against Clegane.
Wretched Lannister reinforcements, I knew it! . Hmff.... well, I took a shot, and I don't regret it

I actually knew this would happen (as you told me) but I still wanted you to use the original save because I didn't believe there was anyhting wrong with what I did, and it was an awesome turn, and that I don't believe in turning back time because i my opinion it ruins the game

loved the "They say Stannis never smiles. I gave him a red smile."

Sorry about gloating over my turn, but I just loved it so much I couldn't help it xD

+rep to you

[Emperor of Hell]

You have to beat a 2 star general with 3 units and a full stack reinforcements. Good luck.

[Emperor of Hell]

To clarify this, I don't think uri's moves should be accepted and that complete noob and zarcas are right but as I can basically destroy his faction I don't really mind.

[Emperor of Hell]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12799056

[complete noob:(]

Greyjoy up.

Defeated the Stannis ship near Maidenpool (damn, those galleys are strong, the first time I loaded I got a Crushing Defeat.)

[Pinkie Pie]

No battles here but more ships are now ready to patrol the seas and watch for any ships moving in areas they shouldn't be.

[Uriyaca]

lol

I can't believe how easy it was to lift the siege off Valeryon
Brave Lord Monford Valeryon, Lord Paramount of the Riverlands has bravely crushed the Joffrey army at the Crownalnds. The A team (Alester Florent, Ronald Storm, Monford Valeyon, Celtigar and Waters) has been successfull!

Seems like Aurene Waters has a thing for lady's who suffered from the grey desiese, so he happily took Princess Shireen to be his wife, leaving the Joffrey host unled. Then it was fairly easy to defeat the Joff force, because although heavily outnumbered our troops were of much higher quality

pic-

Afterwards I also lifted the siege off the four units south of Rosby (don't believe pics are neccecery, 2 minor battles with superior odds), and retreated to the ship because my army was heavily damaged.

The Lannisters suffered from a massive blow, their armies crushed and their deffences shattered. Next turn, when Stannis will be allowed to move again, I will strike King's Landing with full force and kill Joffrey's mad hound and probably also re-defeat the army which was defeated now



Winning this, *******



Oh and last thing, Lord Balon Greyjoy is declared hostile to the crown, I can pretty easily see you have an alliance with the Lannisters Pinkie Pie, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing. I would advice the loyal Lord Mace Tyrell to put an eye on his shoreline.

Up Lord Renly - http://www.filedropper.com/wfwrenly7

Edit: oh and forgot, lifted that silly Tully fish off Rook's Rest. I would advice floppy fish Tully to think twice before messing with King Stannis

[Emperor of Hell]

How did you lift the siege of Velaryon? Post all screens of all battles. This looks very unlikely.

[Uriyaca]

the siege has been lifted by game engines after I seduced Aurene Waters

Before you say this is a bug and I have to replay, listen to what I have to say:

I could win in an entirely different way if it was't for this "bug" . How you ask? I'll explain

1) Taking the two units from Duskendale and using them to attack Hayford, VERY easy victory as the men in the fort can participate while Aurene Waters and his stack can't, 10:1 odds
2) After the siege off the fort has been lifted, take the entire stack and place it next to Velaryon and the other 3 generals, and then sally out to attack Aurene and his stack- I can't win because there is the command bonus to Waters. But-
if I seduce Waters the siege is lifted, right?

Since the Joff stack is right next to Rosby, after the siege is lifted and I attack the stack, the hound and all the men from Rosby reinforce and I can't win because of superior numbers (because when you sally the only forces that can participate in the battle are the ones in the fort's ZoC, however when attacking an army head on the only forces that can participate in the battles are those adjacent to the attacked army) I could get around this by putting Rosby under siege by a single unit but thats against the rules

IF there was no bug, then when I seduce Waters the siege would last and Clegane will not be able to reinforce in the battle, and I would win the same victory as in the picture above.



Understand my point? if it wasn't for this "bug" I could've won in the exact same way. I didn't want to explain all that in the post above because I didn't want to confuse you all

[Dux]

the siege has been lifted by game engines after I seduced Aurene Waters

Before you say this is a bug and I have to replay, listen to what I have to say:

I could win in an entirely different way if it was't for this "bug" . How you ask? I'll explain

1) Taking the two units from Duskendale and using them to attack Hayford, VERY easy victory as the men in the fort can participate while Aurene Waters and his stack can't, 10:1 odds
2) After the siege off the fort has been lifted, take the entire stack and place it next to Velaryon and the other 3 generals, and then sally out to attack Aurene and his stack- I can't win because there is the command bonus to Waters. But-
if I seduce Waters the siege is lifted, right?

Since the Joff stack is right next to Rosby, after the siege is lifted and I attack the stack, the hound and all the men from Rosby reinforce and I can't win because of superior numbers (because when you sally the only forces that can participate in the battle are the ones in the fort's ZoC, however when attacking an army head on the only forces that can participate in the battles are those adjacent to the attacked army) I could get around this by putting Rosby under siege by a single unit but thats against the rules

IF there was no bug, then when I seduce Waters the siege would last and Clegane will not be able to reinforce in the battle, and I would win the same victory as in the picture above.



Understand my point? if it wasn't for this "bug" I could've won in the exact same way. I didn't want to explain all that in the post above because I didn't want to confuse you all

Hmm, you used a bug to defeat Empy and you explain it by saying it was done to prevent winning by breaking the rules.
You claim you would have won if the bug was not in place and the army would have continued to besiege Velaryon leaderless. However how do you know you would have won if Velaryon sallied against that leaderless army? There is no way to test that statement.

As you pointed out, you cannot not win if you do not use this bug. So why are we allowing this?

[Uriyaca]

Hmm, you used a bug to defeat Empy and you explain it by saying it was done to prevent winning by breaking the rules.
You claim you would have won if the bug was not in place and the army would have continued to besiege Velaryon leaderless. However how do you know you would have won if Velaryon sallied against that leaderless army? There is no way to test that statement.

As you pointed out, you cannot not win if you do not use this bug. So why are we allowing this?

The same armies vs. the same armies participating, most likely would have been even EASIER to win since my stack could be led by Waters instead of being led by no-one. Also Velaryon would be attacking instead of reinforcing, which is even one more bonus. the victroy was easy, 3:2 odds, it really wasn't hard
I can show you proof if you want. Do that battle and show you that I can win, when preventing Clegane from participating in the battle by using one of the defeated spearmen units in his army

My point is, that I can win with or without this bug. But since we cannot prevent this bug then I chose the path to win with the bug. Should there have been no bug then I would be able to win as well. So the bug is really not to anyone's favor here

Edit: here is the proof-




lol I would've actually lost way less men if it wasn't for this bug, I request that the admin restores the 400 brave men who had to die because of this bug

[Riverknight]

Joffrey up.

[Uriyaca]

I think Empy told Dux to sub him in his absence, did you notify him?

I'll notify Dux just in case

[zaracassie]

They said being an admin was easy. It has been requested i look at this please wait till i get back from work.

[Uriyaca]

If you find me correct how would you fare restoring 400 men for me that I lost because of this bug?

[zaracassie]

If I knew how to do that then perhaps.

[zaracassie]

If I knew how to do that then perhaps.

Just to let everyone know i had not looked into the problem at that point, I had just skimmed over what was being said. My statement was not directed at definitely doing it. It was just a query. I have just returned from work and have several hotseat turns to play but I will get on this as soon as possible. Sorry for the delay.



edit: Quick update before i go do the accounts and pass out from exhaustion.

The use of the princess is a bug in the game engine, that lifted the siege. I need to keep replaying until i can win the battle like you did, at the moment all i keep getting is crushing defeats. This is using the tactic of attacking from duskendale. To remove the top siege, moving the stack out then seducing waters (Could not defeat him without seduction), then fighting his old stack and sandor and getting humped.

I'll reply a few more times in the morning Perhaps finding out about this reseed thing since the battles are 1:1.

At the moment though it looks like it may be easier for Stannis just to replay his turn and not seduce a besieging general.

ooc: after watching GOT on Monday i think Shireen baratheon should probably be taken off the roster as an available princess at the start of the game.
Also more generals need that marital ties attribute. I hate stealing generals like Tarly who are married and have children.