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    Default Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Ships other than bhaglahs, caravels, and (grand) carracks can't cross the Atlantic ocean. Can they putter around on the other side of the Atlantic, though? If you want to ferry your people around from Brazil to Cuba, or Tlaxcala to North America, and you have some rudimentary ports on the Western side of the Atlantic capable of producing cogs and such, are there any irksome limits on their ability to navigate the Americas?

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Brazil is surrounded by ocean so no, but indeed you can use cogs in the area between N America, Carribean and the northern aztec region with port.

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Giumbix View Post
    Brazil is surrounded by ocean so no, but indeed you can use cogs in the area between N America, Carribean and the northern aztec region with port.
    Ah. I just looked at map_ground_types.tga. I see how it works. It seems pretty ridiculuous the way they drew the Americas, since not only can you can go from the Yucatan to Brazil without leaving the coastline, but there's really no way you can even draw a map that includes both Brazil and the Yucatan without including all the land between, except with ridiculous distortion (here's my attempt to center and zoom Google Earth on the M2TW view of America to the best of my ability, for reference). A strip of galley-navigable water from the south of the Yucatan to the north of Brazil seems like it should have been done as a stopgap, at least, though. Oh well.

    Update: it occurs to me that the Mesoamerican regions are actually Tlaxcala, Tenochtitlan, and Cholula, not the Yucatan, so my previous Google Earth link which includes the Yucatan but not more central Mexico isn't right either. Here's my revised Google Earth link which includes Mexico City/Tenochtitlan in the far west.
    Last edited by Maklodes; April 06, 2013 at 04:15 PM. Reason: update

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Tenochtitlan in-game is located where modern Nicaragua is, which is way off from its actual position.
    Last edited by Aeratus; April 06, 2013 at 05:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    yeah i think you can. But there is not point as you can easily take america

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander of Scotland View Post
    But there is not point as you can easily take america
    Actually, it is important because Rebels can't build carracks. So when you're playing as Rebels, the only way to get to Central America is sail from Florida or Cuba.

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    IMO they should have included more Americas in the game

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiochus Seleukos View Post
    IMO they should have included more Americas in the game
    There is a mod for that IIRC.

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    It is pretty weird in the Americas campaign that South America has a somewhat sideways V shape

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    Default Re: Can cogs, dhows, galleys, etc, navigate the Carribean if they don't have to cross the Atlantic?

    Yeah this one

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