Ptolamaic phalangites and scythed chariots

[Antiochus]

Dear CA, Why these phalangites have painted eyes like pharaohs or mummies? Please, show me any proof that maichimoi (poor levies of hellenistic Egypt) painted eyes like pharaohs few hundreds years before? I am afraid you don't havy any source.

skilled swordsmen, scythed chariots, and more exotic units

but scythed chariots? you mean Seleucid style (driver with cataphract armor and mask) or stle of Egyptians from Rome 1? Driver will be like these phalangites (painted eyes) but in scythed chariot?

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[PROMETHEUS ts]

I am sure they have far better historians at CA than any armchair selfproclaimed modder ones around ...
That said to me they look like a fine plausible hybrid ... Locals armed in greek style...
Wich is fine ...

And on top of that to grant diversity as well as more gameplay options some borderline of history units are welcome...

[Durendalv2]

I am sure they have far better historians at CA than any armchair selfproclaimed modder ones around ...
That said to me they look like a fine plausible hybrid ... Locals armed in greek style...
Wich is fine ...

And on top of that to grant diversity as well as more gameplay options some borderline of history units are welcome...

Agreed.

People tend to forget that the Ptolemies and the Seleucids integrated native troops in their armies, which Alexander tried to go in 324. The Ptolemy royal family even adopted traditional Egyptian dress. Seeing "Eastern" phalangites is not a stretch and their units should not be based on the tombs found in Macedon.

[athanaric]

The Rome 2 Machimoi pikemen look fine. I don't like the eyeliner but if it's historically accurate, why not. Skin colour is accurate as well, after all they're Egyptian, not Macedonian. Could do with a little more variety in armours and helmets though.

I am sure they have far better historians at CA than any armchair selfproclaimed modder ones around ...

And I'm sure you've included yourself in the latter category... or have you?

I hope CA made research in every factions. I noticed in rome 1, egypt faction doesnt have soldiers carrying SCIMITAR. It a crescent shaped sword where egypt is known for. Tuthmosis III first employed it. There are many depictions of the gods handing the pharaoh this weapon of victory and it quickly became part of the infantryman's basic equipment.

By 270 BC the equivalent of the Khopesh was its descendant, the Kopis... Egyptian troops in the Rome 2 time frame would have used much the same types of swords as the Greeks did.

[Yayattasa]

And I'm sure you've included yourself in the latter category... or have you?

If you reread Prometheus post, you will see he is talking about modder-historians, which he's not. He is a modder.

[Stavroforos]

And so it begins, all the expert amateur historians giving their two cents.

[Lord Tomyris]

Here's a comparison of CA's unit, the EB unit, and the outdated Egyptian marine....



And here's a take on the maichimoi from a mod...



I think we might be splitting hairs here, but I suppose we don't have these monstrosities to complain about!

[Lord Tomyris]

EDIT: Oops, an unintended double post is revealed!

[jsully16]

Oh no they made Egyptians look Egyptian, those nit-witted bastards!

[Dan113112]

From the Egypt Faction Reveal thread:

This game starts only 50 years after Alexander the Great. A whole country with deep cultural roots wouldn't be suddenly completely Hellenized. As I pointed out the Hellenistic looking soldiers would have been Greek colonists or former Greek soldiers that were settled on land upon release from military service or retirement.

Edit: I am certain there will also be "Greek" phalangites as well. Just like in RTR and EB.

[andrew2788]

I for one like how they look and they're probably doing so you can tell the difference between natives and Greco-Macedonian overlords. By the way just because a faction has a Hellenistic army, it doesn't have to mean they are going to look Greek just fight like them and have similar equipment

[Markas]

Three identical posts and a thread made out of it. Really? I'd like to see what sources were used on Ptolemaic troops by the EB mod before CA are criticized too highly.

[Sir Sesshaku]

I don't mind this kind of behaviour actually. This annoying people are the ones that put pressure on CA on the historical accuracy departmen. We all have to agree that Rome 1 was like some weird astérix and obélix strategy game. And then, many years of complaining and laughing on their face, we had Shogun 2 and Rome 2, both seems to be a lot more "credible" than the previous 3D engine TW. And that's something I appreciate.

By the look of Egypt It seems they still have this...weird clichè tendency, but still, in the overall, Rome 2 seems to keep improving something that needed to be improved. All looks reasonably fine for me. Although, graphics and historical accuracy are not the most important part of the game, because I REALLY need to see serious improvements on the campaign.

[Asterix]

We all have to agree that Rome 1 was like some weird astérix and obélix strategy game.

Hey! What's wrong with Asterix?!

[Grimbold]

Seleucids not in? Time to flame every single thing Ptolemaic related.

[Sherm]

I'm a person that want more historical accuracy as possible, and i was happy with what i saw.
The screenshot posted by CA was good, and an example of how they improved historical accuracy respect to the previous Rome: TW.

[IGdood]

MUH ARCHE SELEUKIA

the autism is strong in this one.


CA should put noteworthy twc moments as funny ancillary or personality trait jokes in R2.

[Markas]

CA should put noteworthy twc moments as funny ancillary or personality trait jokes in R2.

Retinue-

Tiresome OCD Nephew

'Get those men off the field! they're historically inaccurate!!'

[Jack Lusted]

The Egyptian Pikemen are based on the machiamoi forces in the Ptolemaic army and which reflected a mixing of local troops with Hellenic fighting style. As others have pointed out it is not based on the armies of 2000 BC, just the look of the native Egyptian soldiers during the time period.

You linked to the Europa Barbarorum faction page, but the unit they have also wears padded armour, as does the EB2 unit: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/463/machph3.png

There are also miniatures that show units in padded armour, and with the same style hats: http://www.ancientbattles.com/seleuc...2_test_000.jpg

They are the levy pike unit for Egypt, not the main pike unit which will be armed and armoured in the Hellenic style.

We've done our research.

[Aenima]

The Egyptian Pikemen are based on the machiamoi forces in the Ptolemaic army and which reflected a mixing of local troops with Hellenic fighting style. As others have pointed out it is not based on the armies of 2000 BC, just the look of the native Egyptian soldiers during the time period.

You linked to the Europa Barbarorum faction page, but the unit they have also wears padded armour, as does the EB2 unit: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/463/machph3.png

There are also miniatures that show units in padded armour, and with the same style hats: http://www.ancientbattles.com/seleuc...2_test_000.jpg

They are the levy pike unit for Egypt, not the main pike unit which will be armed and armoured in the Hellenic style.

We've done our research.

In other words,