Israel violates cease-fire

[ErikinWest]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan is "deeply concerned" about Israel's commando raid Saturday in eastern Lebanon, which he said violated the cease-fire resolution concerning Israel and Hezbollah, his spokesman said in a written statement.

Basically Israeli commando's raided what they called a weapon transport from Syria.

I'm leaving, but I'll let you guys have a 10 page discussion on it for me to read when I get back next week.

Erik

[AMERICARULES]

I believe this shows that Hezbollah was the ones actually violating the ceasefire in re-arming with the help of syria and Israel reacting. Nevertheless, this won't be good for the ceasefire or peace in the region.

[mysticflame]

IIRC, one of the agreements of the ceasefire was that Syria was to stop giving weapons to Hezbollah. If it is correct, then Israel is not in the wrong here.

[Dirty Harry]

dont worry guys, francxe will save the day

[AMERICARULES]

dont worry guys, francxe will save the day

Yeah I'm sure hezbollah was delighted to hear that the leaders of the new force would be 400 frenchmen. (And yes I recognize your post was sarcastic and I agree totally)

[internationalist]

According to Israel, Hezbollah was receiving an arms shipment, which, as has been mentioned, is a violation of the ceasefire. However, it troubles me that Israeli spokesmen can hardly be considered reliable sources at this point, as they hardly want to be painted as the aggressors who violated the ceasefire. The BBC repprted that "There is speculation locally that the Israelis may have been trying to capture a senior Hezbollah figure who lives in the village." while Mark Regev, an Israeli spokesman said " We had specific information of arms transfers taking place and we acted to prevent that violation". The whole situation is difficult to judge as of now, becuase niether source of information can be considered reliable at this point.

[Sétanta]

The ceasefire was a joke from the start. Israel has every right to stop Hezbollah from re-arming. It is only a matter of time before the ceasefire breaks completely.

[internationalist]

The ceasefire was a joke from the start. Israel has every right to stop Hezbollah from re-arming. It is only a matter of time before the ceasefire breaks completely.

Why does Israel have a right to stop Hezbollah from re-arming? The ceasefire prohibits it, but does not specify that Israel can attack Lebanon if Hezbollah receives arms shipments. And its really just conjecture that Hezbollah was even receiving arms.

[Sétanta]

Why does Israel have a right to stop Hezbollah from re-arming? The ceasefire prohibits it, but does not specify that Israel can attack Lebanon if Hezbollah receives arms shipments. And its really just conjecture that Hezbollah was even receiving arms.

So Hezbollah doesn't attack Israel again. With a mission statement including the extermination of Israel, you know they are going to attack again.

[AMERICARULES]

According to Israel, Hezbollah was receiving an arms shipment, which, as has been mentioned, is a violation of the ceasefire. However, it troubles me that Israeli spokesmen can hardly be considered reliable sources at this point, as they hardly want to be painted as the aggressors who violated the ceasefire. The BBC repprted that "There is speculation locally that the Israelis may have been trying to capture a senior Hezbollah figure who lives in the village." while Mark Regev, an Israeli spokesman said " We had specific information of arms transfers taking place and we acted to prevent that violation". The whole situation is difficult to judge as of now, becuase niether source of information can be considered reliable at this point.

I trust Israel, why wouldn't you?

[internationalist]

I trust Israel, why wouldn't you?

Why would you! Why would Israel admit that they wanted to take out a senior hezbollah official when they could easily say that Hezbollah was getting arms. Likewise, Hezbollah would hardly want to admit that they were violating the cease fire.

[AMERICARULES]

Why would you! Why would Israel admit that they wanted to take out a senior hezbollah official when they could easily say that Hezbollah was getting arms. Likewise, Hezbollah would hardly want to admit that they were violating the cease fire.

Because this particlar re-armament is exactly what everyone knew what Hezbollah would do. You don't actually believe they're not re-arming do you?

[internationalist]

Because this particlar re-armament is exactly what everyone knew what Hezbollah would do. You don't actually believe they're not re-arming do you?

Well I mean wouldn't you arm yourself if your aggressive nextdoor neighbor (which is not to say that Hezbollah is not the cheeky little ********* down the street throwing rocks at said aggressive neighbor) had a tank
edit; im not saying that hezbollah is NOT rearming, im merely saying that right now its inconclusive due to the fact that any evidence on the matter comes from naturally biased sources.

[Princeps]

I knew Israel would be first!

[King Sakkeus]

I would guess that the IDF tried to capture some Hezbollah leader to trade for the two soldiers and when the mission was a failure they said that they stopped arms shipments from Syria.
I cant understand why anybody in their right mind would take the word of the IDF as true without any evidence.
When it comes to propaganda, both sides are doing it constantly.

[dr0p]

I would guess that the IDF tried to capture some Hezbollah leader to trade for the two soldiers and when the mission was a failure they said that they stopped arms shipments from Syria.
I cant understand why anybody in their right mind would take the word of the IDF as true without any evidence.
When it comes to propaganda, both sides are doing it constantly.

Because it was a mission to subatage weaponry trade.
The commando did their job but were discovered after the mission was done. Nothing to lie here...

By the way, is it just me or this Koffi annan guy is extremly one-sided?

[pannonian]

Because it was a mission to subatage weaponry trade.
The commando did their job but were discovered after the mission was done. Nothing to lie here...

By the way, is it just me or this Koffi annan guy is extremly one-sided?

Why would Israel expose ground troops to the risk of capture to intercept arms shipments? What can commandos do that a missile cannot? Given that the commandos were given air cover as well, and an airstrike took out a bridge during their retreat, why didn't they just use the IAF, who are immune in the air, and not the IDF, who are vulnerable on the ground, especially so deep inside Lebanese territory?

Have we seen any evidence supporting the Israeli claim that they went in to intercept the arms supply? The facts of the matter as reported in the news rather support the Lebanese claim that the aim was to capture a local Hezbollah leader. Hence forces on the ground to do the kidnapping, and air support to cover their entry and exit.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Why would Israel expose ground troops to the risk of capture to intercept arms shipments?

Well, that would avoid them to mistakenly bomb the **** out of foordstuff shipments, like they did a few times during the last month ?

What can commandos do that a missile cannot?

actually check there are weapons

Given that the commandos were given air cover as well, and an airstrike took out a bridge during their retreat, why didn't they just use the IAF, who are immune in the air, and not the IDF, who are vulnerable on the ground, especially so deep inside Lebanese territory?

Have we seen any evidence supporting the Israeli claim that they went in to intercept the arms supply? The facts of the matter as reported in the news rather support the Lebanese claim that the aim was to capture a local Hezbollah leader. Hence forces on the ground to do the kidnapping, and air support to cover their entry and exit.

Given the last months events, I'd tend to agree with that...

[War Bringer]

You know what, the whole world should just turn a blind eye on Isreal and their enemies, let them sort it out without any outer interference.

[communist]

You know what, the whole world should just turn a blind eye on Isreal and their enemies, let them sort it out without any outer interference.

because it will cause total war, which will send lebanon to the stoneage, and what follows is the involvement of nearby arabs and escalation of war into a much bigger scale.

edit: ohh yea..i forgot the civillian lives that are being lost. actually no, silly me. there is rwanda to disprove that.