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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenyi View Post
    Wow, so much posts I'll try to cover a few things from my view and experience blah blah blah.

    When doing SLI/CFX on Total War, it's fine to use 2 really high end cards like 580, 680, 7970 or 7950, because just one of those cards can max out S2 anyway. I tested a rig with 2 7770 in CFX, but the graphics on S2 up to the highest, and it ran relatively fine. But them all the text started to glitch out, like blink on and on, and then sometimes my cursor would completely disappear off the screen, except for the very tip pixel which would be offset a few inches. So it was impossible to play, that mouse glitch caused so many loses on multiplayer So it is definitely better to put the money you spent on 2 low end cards, for one high end card. PS. the 650 and 650Ti are absolutely terrible, the lowest cards you want are 660 and 7850, in my opinion, they are both still relatively cheap and offer great performance to price.

    In current TW titles, overclocking can earn you a noticeable boost. S2 can use 2 cores at the most (most of it been dumped on the 1st core, 2nd core does light tasks). So image you have a 3570k which has 4 cores at 3.4Ghz, only 2 can be used, so that gives you a max performance of 6.8Ghz towards Shogun 2 (in turbo mode a core does 3.8Ghz, so that's 7.6Ghz). You can quite safely overclock each of these cores to 4.5Ghz with a custom cooler, equaling 9Ghz total for Shogun 2. So you have 6.8Ghz on stock, 7.6Ghz in turbo, and 9Ghz on overclock. The real difference would be a little smaller, because like I said before the 2nd core only does a little of the work, but you can still notice a decent difference.

    The highest end PSU you need for any single GPU is 750W (minimum I would recommend for the highest end cards), any higher is for multi card setups, or dual-GPU cards (like the 7990 and 690). Like it was said previously in this thread though, don't just go buy any random PSU, in this tutorial I will show which ones are best for gaming PCs.

    As for the best GPU brands, ASUS, MSI and Evga are definitely the best out there, Gigabyte, Sapphire are great too, Galaxy, Powercolor and HIS are just ok.

    @Bearnation54 - for your monitor, you want something with 2ms response time, 1920x1080 resolution (any bigger can work graphics cards too hard), and buy from either ASUS, LG, Dell, Samsung, or even BenQ. BenQ is definitely know to be the best gaming monitors. In my opinion avoid Acer.

    @Sharpe - no new graphics cards are coming out, but in 3-4 months Intel and AMD are releasing some new CPU sets for the desktop. Both of these are not going to be amazingly better, about 10% says most people. So if you can't wait to build a PC, go ahead and get one now because your not missing out on much, but if you can wait then wait

    @gamerwill253 - I'll show you a really good build soon for what you want. Just one pointer though; you chose the 2011 chip, which is a very expensive chip set, you're better off with 1155. Like I said to Sharpe though, Intel are making a new chip set (1150) soon.
    9 ghz wow! you dont multiply any core speeds...

    e.g my cpu does 4ghz 24/7 over it's 4 cores and that's it...there is no 9hz in turbo mode (on any cpu). highest oc's we see atm are in the 4.5-5ghz region...for enthusiasts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenyi View Post
    Wow, so much posts I'll try to cover a few things from my view and experience blah blah blah.

    When doing SLI/CFX on Total War, it's fine to use 2 really high end cards like 580, 680, 7970 or 7950, because just one of those cards can max out S2 anyway. I tested a rig with 2 7770 in CFX, but the graphics on S2 up to the highest, and it ran relatively fine. But them all the text started to glitch out, like blink on and on, and then sometimes my cursor would completely disappear off the screen, except for the very tip pixel which would be offset a few inches. So it was impossible to play, that mouse glitch caused so many loses on multiplayer So it is definitely better to put the money you spent on 2 low end cards, for one high end card. PS. the 650 and 650Ti are absolutely terrible, the lowest cards you want are 660 and 7850, in my opinion, they are both still relatively cheap and offer great performance to price.

    In current TW titles, overclocking can earn you a noticeable boost. S2 can use 2 cores at the most (most of it been dumped on the 1st core, 2nd core does light tasks). So image you have a 3570k which has 4 cores at 3.4Ghz, only 2 can be used, so that gives you a max performance of 6.8Ghz towards Shogun 2 (in turbo mode a core does 3.8Ghz, so that's 7.6Ghz). You can quite safely overclock each of these cores to 4.5Ghz with a custom cooler, equaling 9Ghz total for Shogun 2. So you have 6.8Ghz on stock, 7.6Ghz in turbo, and 9Ghz on overclock. The real difference would be a little smaller, because like I said before the 2nd core only does a little of the work, but you can still notice a decent difference.

    The highest end PSU you need for any single GPU is 750W (minimum I would recommend for the highest end cards), any higher is for multi card setups, or dual-GPU cards (like the 7990 and 690). Like it was said previously in this thread though, don't just go buy any random PSU, in this tutorial I will show which ones are best for gaming PCs.

    As for the best GPU brands, ASUS, MSI and Evga are definitely the best out there, Gigabyte, Sapphire are great too, Galaxy, Powercolor and HIS are just ok.

    @Bearnation54 - for your monitor, you want something with 2ms response time, 1920x1080 resolution (any bigger can work graphics cards too hard), and buy from either ASUS, LG, Dell, Samsung, or even BenQ. BenQ is definitely know to be the best gaming monitors. In my opinion avoid Acer.

    @Sharpe - no new graphics cards are coming out, but in 3-4 months Intel and AMD are releasing some new CPU sets for the desktop. Both of these are not going to be amazingly better, about 10% says most people. So if you can't wait to build a PC, go ahead and get one now because your not missing out on much, but if you can wait then wait

    @gamerwill253 - I'll show you a really good build soon for what you want. Just one pointer though; you chose the 2011 chip, which is a very expensive chip set, you're better off with 1155. Like I said to Sharpe though, Intel are making a new chip set (1150) soon.
    I will be waiting for your build Splenyi. I SHALL WAIT.

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    Oh no, I was just adding both of the cores together that would be working on Shogun 2. Won't be getting that, but now that I think about what I was doing, it didn't really make any logic

    But you could get 7Ghz, it is possible out of a CPU...... for a professional overclocker
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    Exactly. You'd be better off spending around $1100-$1300 on a brand new build, and then spending about another $200-$300 per year on it just for upgrades. It's better than spending $1300 every 2-3 years on a brand new build.
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    What I meant is that the now outdated parts that I want would drop in price with the release of new parts. I would never buy brand new hardware.

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    Can you use SLI on a non vanilla GPU? I am getting a 670 FTW and I have a mobo that supports SLI, so could I do that or does the GPU have to be the vanilla version?

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    @Semper_Fidelis - the correct term is Reference Cards, not vanilla and yes it is possible. You can SLI any card IF it has the same GPU (670 can only go with 670, 650 only with 650, 7870 only with 7870, etc.). They don't even have to be the same brand, they just both need 670 in their name.

    Example; you can SLI both these cards:

    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC 4GB
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=21726

    and

    ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=20212

    Notice they both have totally different cooling solutions (one custom, one reference). One has 4GB of ram, the other has 2GB. One runs at 1058MHz in boost, the other runs at 980MHz in boost. All that difference wont make any compatibility issues while in SLI

    It's the exact same situation with AMDs CFX too, just to clear that up for anyone that might ask.
    Last edited by Biggus Splenus; March 15, 2013 at 03:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenyi View Post
    @Semper_Fidelis - the correct term is Reference Cards, not vanilla and yes it is possible. You can SLI any card IF it has the same GPU (670 can only go with 670, 650 only with 650, 7870 only with 7870, etc.). They don't even have to be the same brand, they just both need 670 in their name.

    Example; you can SLI both these cards:

    Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC 4GB
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=21726

    and

    ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II
    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=20212

    Notice they both have totally different cooling solutions (one custom, one reference). One has 4GB of ram, the other has 2GB. One runs at 1058MHz in boost, the other runs at 980MHz in boost. All that difference wont make any compatibility issues while in SLI

    It's the exact same situation with AMDs CFX too, just to clear that up for anyone that might ask.
    to save headaches sli/xfire same cards, same memory, same brand. however you can mix and match brands and oc v vanilla versions.

    that said say you have a vanilla and a ftw version, the vanilla version will have to be bumped up to the ftw speeds when run at stock, which shouldnt be a problem.

    however re the mixing different cards with different memory I think that's a no no and pointless because the 4gb card is hampered by the 2gb one...well i read around a bit on this and I think this is not advised..(i am not 100 percent sure but i'd risk a Ł20 bet )

    you're on a roll splenyi! (j/k. winks).

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    @Totalheadache
    Thanks for your offer with the water cooling. But I have to think a bit more about my next move first. I just got a 27" 2560x1440 monitor and now my single 7970 (with a custom Alpenföhn Peter cooler) is sometimes choking with that resolution when I try to use some AA (which I am addicted to), lol. I think about adding a 2nd 7970 but since the Peter cooler is pretty big, space is a problem. Watercooling would help here. But a setup for CPU + 2 GPUs would be pretty expensive. Apart from price, XSPC which you mentioned seems to have some of the best solutions.

    Peter cooler
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Barbarian View Post
    @Totalheadache
    Thanks for your offer with the water cooling. But I have to think a bit more about my next move first. I just got a 27" 2560x1440 monitor and now my single 7970 (with a custom Alpenföhn Peter cooler) is sometimes choking with that resolution when I try to use some AA (which I am addicted to), lol. I think about adding a 2nd 7970 but since the Peter cooler is pretty big, space is a problem. Watercooling would help here. But a setup for CPU + 2 GPUs would be pretty expensive. Apart from price, XSPC which you mentioned seems to have some of the best solutions.

    Peter cooler
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    nice cooler. big diff with that higher res? (in terms of quality)

    tbh dont really need to change my pump but it's bugging me from day one that the cap never fitted flush, suppose I could phone up and say am not satisfied even though have used it for months...np that you dont want, probably be able to sell it on ebay..

    watercooling does get expensive (circa Ł250 for a good setup) but if you love hardware it's a must at some point just for the fun!

    prob u now have is if you get a 2nd card will it fit? could wait for next gen..which I am doing..

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    2560 on 27" is pretty nice since the dot pitch is smaller than the 1920 on 24" before so everything looks already a bit smother even without AA. And besides the larger real estate the colors are much nicer than before (now PLS/IPS before TN). I tried several IPS 24" panels before but always had problems with backlight bleeding and IPS glow (grey shimmer with dark scenes in a dark room). But especially the IPS glow is much less of a problem with the Samsung SA850D I have now. It looks like Samsungs PLS technology (which is similar to IPS) seems to have an edge in that department.

    Space will be a bit of a problem with the 2nd 7970 in my Fractal R3 but I just ordered some Prolimatech Ultra Sleek Vortex 14 fans which have a lower profile than normal fans and might just allow to squeeze in the card
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    Regarding next-gen GPUs, they seem to be still away by about 9 months and not even a Titan would give the frame rates (I am usually happy with 40fps) with higher AA/SSAA which I would like to have.
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    I was looking to buy this monitor for my new computer, what do you guys think?

    ASUS VG248QE
    Panel Size :
    Wide Screen 24.0"(61.0cm) 16:9
    Color Saturation : 72%(NTSC)
    Panel Backlight / Type : WLED/ TN
    True Resolution : 1920x1080
    Full HD 1080P : Yes
    Pixel Pitch : 0.2768mm
    Brightness(Max) : 350 cd/㎡
    ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio (ASCR) : 80000000:1
    Viewing Angle (CR≧10) : 170°(H)/160°(V)
    Response Time : 1ms (Gray to Gray)
    Display Colors : 16.7M
    Refresh Rate: 144 hz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearnation54 View Post
    I was looking to buy this monitor for my new computer, what do you guys think?

    ASUS VG248QE
    Panel Size :
    Wide Screen 24.0"(61.0cm) 16:9
    Color Saturation : 72%(NTSC)
    Panel Backlight / Type : WLED/ TN
    True Resolution : 1920x1080
    Full HD 1080P : Yes
    Pixel Pitch : 0.2768mm
    Brightness(Max) : 350 cd/㎡
    ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio (ASCR) : 80000000:1
    Viewing Angle (CR≧10) : 170°(H)/160°(V)
    Response Time : 1ms (Gray to Gray)
    Display Colors : 16.7M
    Refresh Rate: 144 hz
    refresh rate 144hz? mmm looks odd...most I have seen is 120hz and thats a 3d screen.

    am no expert but was told to avoid tn panels and go for an ips if poss..

    something like this

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=17&catid=1425

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totalheadache View Post
    am no expert but was told to avoid tn panels and go for an ips if poss
    The Dell U2312HM is a very good monitor but in direct comparison, I still preferred a ASUS 24" TN panel to it. There are no perfect monitors around and no current panel technology is without drawbacks. Therefore, every choice is a compromise and it essentially comes down to personal preferences and usage patterns. Also, almost every single monitor often has a number of smaller and bigger production flaws (like dead pixels, backlight bleeding, buzzing power supply, ...) which can make a specific unit unattractive. Finding the monitor can be quite a chore.
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    What's the difference between tn and ips monitors? I thought 144hz was weird to but Asus is a pretty trustable brand maybe it's a marketing gimmick

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    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...es_content.htm

    Biggest differences:

    +IPS: Color richness, viewing angles
    -IPS: IPS Glow (screen corners may appear greyish instead of black with dark content in dark room), longer response time (although newer models are now also quite fast)

    +TN: Still allow for fastest refresh rate and lowest response times (but usually only important for competitive online FP shooters), cheaper to produce than IPS and therefore for the same money as IPS monitors you can get a TN monitor with better quality control and less secondary problems.
    -TN: Colors not as nice as IPS, viewing angles are rather limited (but doesn't really matter if you only one person uses it)


    The 144Hz are not a marketing gimmick but only introduced to have an edge over 120Hz monitors. Although to really make use of those refresh rates in games you also need a powerful graphics card(s) (and usually lower graphical settings).

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    @ Totalheadache - I know mixing and matching different graphics cards isn't practical, I was just saying that it is possible, that's what the guy asked and that's what I answered.... no need to dis me.

    refresh rate 144hz? mmm looks odd...most I have seen is 120hz and thats a 3d screen.
    It's a very new monitor by ASUS. It's not specifically for 3D, which is what makes it special. It's supposed to bring that mega-high refresh rate from 3D monitors, put it into a regular high-end monitor, so people that don't want 3D can enjoy those high refresh rates.

    It's a very good monitor. But while talking about monitors, I think sometime this year (or early next year), there will be a 100% move from manufacturers from regular monitors to touch-screen monitors. This is obviously because of Windows 8. It will make the cost of touch screens significantly cheaper, because everyone is selling them, and everyone will be buying them.

    At the moment, you will need to spend around $500 for a decent touchscreen

    Just thought I would bring that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenyi View Post
    @ Totalheadache - I know mixing and matching different graphics cards isn't practical, I was just saying that it is possible, that's what the guy asked and that's what I answered.... no need to dis me.


    It's a very new monitor by ASUS. It's not specifically for 3D, which is what makes it special. It's supposed to bring that mega-high refresh rate from 3D monitors, put it into a regular high-end monitor, so people that don't want 3D can enjoy those high refresh rates.

    It's a very good monitor. But while talking about monitors, I think sometime this year (or early next year), there will be a 100% move from manufacturers from regular monitors to touch-screen monitors. This is obviously because of Windows 8. It will make the cost of touch screens significantly cheaper, because everyone is selling them, and everyone will be buying them.

    At the moment, you will need to spend around $500 for a decent touchscreen

    Just thought I would bring that up.
    actually if you read what I said you cant mix different vrams i.e 2/4gb. am not dissing you (no need to go schoolyard on me), just correcting you.

    if you are gonna post re computer stuff make sure you do your homework first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totalheadache View Post
    actually if you read what I said you cant mix different vrams i.e 2/4gb. am not dissing you (no need to go schoolyard on me), just correcting you.

    if you are gonna post re computer stuff make sure you do your homework first.
    sorry for going schoolyard.

    But yeah, it definitely is possible for most of the cards, but it's pointless. That was my point essentially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenyi View Post
    I think sometime this year (or early next year), there will be a 100% move from manufacturers from regular monitors to touch-screen monitors. This is obviously because of Windows 8. It will make the cost of touch screens significantly cheaper, because everyone is selling them, and everyone will be buying them.
    Sorry, no chance. There are a lot of reasons but the biggest is probably: Who is going to tap on a screen in front of him much? Nobody! Touchscreens in small devices which you hold in your hand or on your lap is one thing but using touch on a big monitor in front of you isn't very comfortable. Also, there are technologies like Leap Motion which are better suited and more powerful than just a touch screen.

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