Why didnt they go with different barbarian factions?

[Inhuman One]

Gauls, Britons and Germans where the three playable barbarian factions in Rome 1 as well. Under different names, but its pretty much the same factions.

Now I can understand that they may want to have barbarian tribes in the game, but why not go with tribes that are not this similar to each other?

Scythians, Thrace and Iberians would all have been far more unique in comparison, offering a completely different experience whereas the three playable barbarian factions all offer pretty much the same experience from different starting positions.

I really dont care much about personal favorite factions getting left out since they will be there eventually, but I really do want them to put together a very mixed bag of eight factions if they truly insist on releasing the game with much less playable factions than the original, with no option to unlock others with a mod.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Because the ones you mentioned are less famous.


That's the only reason.

[Dyflinn432]

I agree, Rome 2's biggest downfall will be the faction choice IMO, I think there going for quality of over quantity, but a barbarian is a barbarian at the end of the day, and so far we have seen 3 faction that seem very similar to me.

[Jin-]

Because the ones you mentioned are less famous.


That's the only reason.

Well, they are more known than britons in this time frame.
Only reason britons are there because UK is huge game market

[Serkelet]

Gauls, Britons and Germans where the three playable barbarian factions in Rome 1 as well. Under different names, but its pretty much the same factions.

Now I can understand that they may want to have barbarian tribes in the game, but why not go with tribes that are not this similar to each other?

Scythians, Thrace and Iberians would all have been far more unique in comparison, offering a completely different experience whereas the three playable barbarian factions all offer pretty much the same experience from different starting positions.

I really dont care much about personal favorite factions getting left out since they will be there eventually, but I really do want them to put together a very mixed bag of eight factions if they truly insist on releasing the game with much less playable factions than the original, with no option to unlock others with a mod.

Hehe, you are walking in a dangerous terrain. Prepare to get flamed!

The reasons? Mainly marketing. French, German and British videogame markets are the most important ones in Europe, and probably they think the game is going to sell better if there's a playable barbarian faction from each one of these locations.

An alternative explanation is that the development team are also humans and they can also be victims of the generalized "barbarian fanboyism" that praise nordic looking tribes. They could also be even victims of British nationalism mindset with the inclusion of the Iceni as playable faction.

In any case, Gauls and Germans had a big impact on Roman History anyways, and their inclusion is pretty normal in my eyes, so no complains from me other than the ones I already threw about the Iceni.

[saxdude]

Hehe, you are walking in a dangerous terrain. Prepare to get flamed!

The reasons? Mainly marketing. French, German and British videogame markets are the most important ones in Europe, and probably they think the game is going to sell better if there's a playable barbarian faction from each one of these locations.

An alternative explanation is that the development team are also humans and they can also be victims of the generalized "barbarian fanboyism" that praise nordic looking tribes. They could also be even victims of British nationalism mindset with the inclusion of the Iceni as playable faction.

In any case, Gauls and Germans had a big impact on Roman History anyways, and their inclusion is pretty normal in my eyes, so no complains from me other than the ones I already threw about the Iceni.

Oh dont give me that fanboy ********.

[Inhuman One]

If you are going by whats the most famous, then Sparta would have been playable instead of Macedon.

[Clone1710]

if they truly insist on releasing the game with much less playable factions than the original, with no option to unlock others with a mod.

lol wut?

We had 9 factions in the original Rome (not counting the three roman families as separate factions), now we got eight.
That's not really "much less". ^^

[EinBein]

Gauls, Britons and Germans where the three playable barbarian factions in Rome 1 as well. Under different names, but its pretty much the same factions.

Now I can understand that they may want to have barbarian tribes in the game, but why not go with tribes that are not this similar to each other?

i can not see any more similarities between Arverni, Iceni and Suebi than between Rome, Carthage and Macedon?

Scythians, Thrace and Iberians would all have been far more unique in comparison, offering a completely different experience whereas the three playable barbarian factions all offer pretty much the same experience from different starting positions.

the ones you mention are as popular as a playable race than Noth Korea would be in a Total War: Modern Times... And to the latter refer to my previous sentence.

I really dont care much about personal favorite factions getting left out since they will be there eventually, but I really do want them to put together a very mixed bag of eight factions if they truly insist on releasing the game with much less playable factions than the original, with no option to unlock others with a mod.

Why 'much less'? In the first RTW were 11 factions while three were identical (Roman families). So effectively 9 playables... And all of us will most probably get 9 factions, including one as Pre-order bonus.

[Hazzard]

I consider the Scythians and the Thracians to be more well known by most people, especially when compared to the Suebi and the Averni who most people won't have heard of.
I suppose it's because people generally associate barbarian tribes with Western Europe.

[Braak]

I consider the Scythians and the Thracians to be more well known by most people, especially when compared to the Suebi and the Averni who most people won't have heard of.
I suppose it's because people generally associate barbarian tribes with Western Europe.

You cant compare Thracians, Scythians and Iberians with Suebi, Iceni or Averni, when it comes to popularity. You should compare them with Gauls, Britons or Germanics. The ones are Tribes the others are hmmmm ethnic grops?

[EdmireDragonbane]

You cant compare Thracians, Scythians and Iberians with Suebi, Iceni or Averni, when it comes to popularity. You should compare them with Gauls, Britons or Germanics. The ones are Tribes the others are hmmmm ethnic grops?

If your saying that the IBerians aren't even close to the popularity of the Iceni, you must of been dropped on your head at birth...The Iberians are popular, especially the Lusitanians..Iceni if i'm right sparked outrage from many people..they aren't popular just a cash cow.

[Braak]

If your saying that the IBerians aren't even close to the popularity of the Iceni, you must of been dropped on your head at birth...The Iberians are popular, especially the Lusitanians..Iceni if i'm right sparked outrage from many people..they aren't popular just a cash cow.

I dont want the Iceni too and i agree, they where choosen of marketing purpose. I wanted to say: the Iceni are a tribe, the Ibereians are an ethnic group. You should compare Iceni and Narbasi or some other Iberian tribes. Or you compare Iberians and Britons. Then the popularity goes to the Britons i think.

[Dan113112]

If your saying that the IBerians aren't even close to the popularity of the Iceni, you must of been dropped on your head at birth...The Iberians are popular, especially the Lusitanians..Iceni if i'm right sparked outrage from many people..they aren't popular just a cash cow.

I hate to break it to you but you're wrong. The hardcore TW players will know who the Iberians are but the base player will not. Therefore their popularity is not as high as you might think. When the base player thinks of enemies of Rome they think Northern barbarians. Trust me. I know from experience with my friends.

Edit: I didn't really like the inclusion from day one. I mean they look cool and all but that's about it. Seems like a wasted slot. I don't get why people are saying the Iceni were insignificant. They were insignificant in 270BC (So were the Parthians.) but to say that Bouddica's revolt was minor is a joke. I think the inclusion of the Suebi and Averni was a good choice since they were enemies of each other as well as eventually enemies of Rome. In my honest opinion, it seems that many people are buthurt that their favorite faction wasn't made playable. Or, for some, that a faction that once inhabited the region where their country is now wasn't in.

[Serkelet]

I hate to break it to you but you're wrong. The hardcore TW players will know who the Iberians are but the base player will not. Therefore their popularity is not as high as you might think. When the base player thinks of enemies of Rome they think Northern barbarians. Trust me. I know from experience with my friends.

Edit: I didn't really like the inclusion from day one. I mean they look cool and all but that's about it. Seems like a wasted slot. I don't get why people are saying the Iceni were insignificant. They were insignificant in 270BC (So were the Parthians.) but to say that Bouddica's revolt was minor is a joke. I think the inclusion of the Suebi and Averni was a good choice since they were enemies of each other as well as eventually enemies of Rome. In my honest opinion, it seems that many people are buthurt that their favorite faction wasn't made playable. Or, for some, that a faction that once inhabited the region where their country is now wasn't in.

In my case I don't like the inclusion of the Iceni, not because my favourite faction won't be in (I actually don't have a favourite faction), neither because a faction of my land won't be in (Spanish factions have always been recond rate in CA games, so I was expecting just as much in Rome 2, so not a surprise), but mainly because it feels like a wasted spot that could have gone easily to some other faction, whatever faction, I don't care, that would add more cultural variety and a more spread location.

Right now, northwestern Europe feels too crowded of factions, while eastern Europe or middle east, well... it feels extremely empty. That's just one reason enough to not bring the Iceni!

PD: Btw, I forgot to mention that, in my previous posts in this forum, when I talked about Boudicca's rebellion, I never said it was "insignificant" or "little". I said it had very little success (they got utterly crushed) and, the most important part for me, is that it wasn't unique. Giving a faction spot to the Iceni because of a regional rebellion enables a lot other tribes as playable for the same damn reason. Rebellions were usual in the Roman Empire. Boudicca's one was just another one.

[CenturionSam]

I consider the Scythians and the Thracians to be more well known by most people, especially when compared to the Suebi and the Averni who most people won't have heard of.

Not many people know that Scythia was all but nothing by this time. And the Thracian Tribes barely did anything, maybe a few raids into Macedonia but there were more by the Getai who were basically a Dacian tribe before "Dacia" was ever around.

[Mortarion]

I wish they had put Thrace and Iberia instead of Iceni and Averni

[Eofor]

Contrary to popular belief here Germanic and Gaulish peoples fought very differently. I know, its shocking that two different cultural groups didn't share the exact same military organization, personal equipment and battlefield tactics.

[Akrotatos]

Contrary to popular belief here Germanic and Gaulish peoples fought very differently. I know, its shocking that two different cultural groups didn't share the exact same military organization, personal equipment and battlefield tactics.

Yeahhh, people keep saying that but all they have come up with is that Germans used less armor and more spears. WOW. Because all I saw in the previews are different skinned champion and fanatic units.

[Braak]

Yeahhh, people keep saying that but all they have come up with is that Germans used less armor and more spears. WOW. Because all I saw in the previews are different skinned champion and fanatic units.

And how would Thracians and Iberians differ? Or Iberians and Arverni? Both where Celts.