General Christianity Discussion

[MasterAdnin]

This thread is designed for any general discussion involving Christianity. I have merged a couple threads into this thread. So instead of making any more new threads, please just use this one.

Thank you.

-Honor&Glory


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Okay, just some things I need to ask the Christian community here.


First, How is Jesus(PBUH) the son of God if he can die? How is he God's incarnation on Earth if he can die? If he was truly Godly, then he would be immortal or atleast invunerable to earthly weapons.

Second, If he can die, then he must be partly human, and as Mudd stated in another thread about Muhammad(PBUH) "Even if he is a prophet, he can still have flaws,". Same goes for Jesus(PBUH), if he is partly human, he can have flaws just like anyone and therefore get married and have children.

Third, Religion is there to stop people from commiting sins, why is it that Jesus(PBUH), the Christian claimed son of God, would die for human sins?

Fourth, why would God change the Old Testament to the New Testament which gives, apparently, unlimited freedoms. People now do as they please and the religion is not suited so that people may do whatever they wish and still abide by Christian law? Although they still follow the ten commandments, or atleast some of them.

Fifth, why is it that ALL non-Christians go to hell? Why is it not like Islam where all people who believe in one God go to heaven?

I am tired of Islam bashing, I now am seriously ****** off at people lack of tolerance toward Islam. Now one in five people do not trust Muslims in the United States. I am seriously ****** off at how people are talking about and generalizing Muslims, I am tired at how Muslims are being treated. Now, I have some questions for Christians and would like to see how they respond.


Adnan

[Richard the Lionheart]

Well, the whole Trinity concept is rather questionable, considering that it took well over 100 years for it to be standardized into the faith structure of Christianity. Some scholars argue that this standardization was done for political reasons and motivations.

[Sétanta]

First, How is Jesus(PBUH) the son of God if he can die? How is he God's incarnation on Earth if he can die? If he was truly Godly, then he would be immortal or atleast invunerable to earthly weapons.

Because he was sent by God to die for the sins of humanity. He chose to die. He is human, IMO, the soul of God in a human body. In Christianity, like Islam, it is the soul that is immortal not the body.

Oh yeah, and he died, and came to life three days from then. That makes him immortal. Then he ascended into heaven.

Second, If he can die, then he must be partly human, and as Mudd stated in another thread about Muhammad(PBUH) "Even if he is a prophet, he can still have flaws,". Same goes for Jesus(PBUH), if he is partly human, he can have flaws just like anyone and therefore get married and have children.

Oh he is human all right, just a perfect human because he has the soul of God. He could have gotten married, but he did not.

Third, Religion is there to stop people from commiting sins, why is it that Jesus(PBUH), the Christian claimed son of God, would die for human sins?

He suffered, God suffered for humanity so that believers did not have too. Oh sure, really bad people still go to hell, but if you are a believer and sin you don't go straight to hell. His death also eliminated many of the sins that existed in Pagan society.

Fourth, why would God change the Old Testament to the New Testament which gives, apparently, unlimited freedoms. People now do as they please and the religion is not suited so that people may do whatever they wish and still abide by Christian law? Although they still follow the ten commandments, or atleast some of them.

Not unlimited freedom. Jesus gave humanity more freedom by dying for us. God wasn't so 'strict' anymore.

Fifth, why is it that ALL non-Christians go to hell? Why is it not like Islam where all people who believe in one God go to heaven?

It is my understanding that Jews and Christians go to heaven, Muslims too. IMHO though, if you are a good person you will go to heaven. Atheists may get to spend a long time in purgatory though.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Okay, just some things I need to ask the Christian community here.


First, How is Jesus(PBUH) the son of God if he can die? How is he God's incarnation on Earth if he can die? If he was truly Godly, then he would be immortal or atleast invunerable to earthly weapons.

Second, If he can die, then he must be partly human, and as Mudd stated in another thread about Muhammad(PBUH) "Even if he is a prophet, he can still have flaws,". Same goes for Jesus(PBUH), if he is partly human, he can have flaws just like anyone and therefore get married and have children.

Third, Religion is there to stop people from commiting sins, why is it that Jesus(PBUH), the Christian claimed son of God, would die for human sins?

Fourth, why would God change the Old Testament to the New Testament which gives, apparently, unlimited freedoms. People now do as they please and the religion is not suited so that people may do whatever they wish and still abide by Christian law? Although they still follow the ten commandments, or atleast some of them.

Fifth, why is it that ALL non-Christians go to hell? Why is it not like Islam where all people who believe in one God go to heaven?


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Well Im no longer a christian but I think I can answer all your questions in just a few words. HE WAS GOD. And god is all powerful.

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I am tired of Islam bashing, I now am seriously ****** off at people lack of tolerance toward Islam.

Its a natural reaction to the intolerance of Islam.

Now one in five people do not trust Muslims in the United States.

I wonder why? Let me ask you which is more important to you as you live in America, the Koran or the constitution?

I am seriously ****** off at how people are talking about and generalizing Muslims, I am tired at how Muslims are being treated

Oh yes their so persecuted in western nations. Try being a Jew in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Well Im no longer a christian but I think I can answer all your questions in just a few words. HE WAS GOD. And god is all powerful.

My English teacher told me WAS represents things in the past, so it's no longer relevant in present day.

Its a natural reaction to the intolerance of Islam.

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It seems here mostly people are showing their intolerence towards Islam, not the other way around.

I wonder why? Let me ask you which is more important to you as you live in America, the Koran or the constitution?

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Eventhough I'm not American, but as what I know of American constitution it should be a problem or contradiction. Due to the secularization and the separation of state and churce (or religion as a whole) where's the contradiction ? Qur'an for your mortal soul and constitution for the society/community.

Oh yes their so persecuted in western nations. Try being a Jew in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

Have you got any data or source ? Might be these Jews convert to Islam because they finally see the light.

I disagree. Jesus himself states many times that he is the key to heaven, that no one can get to his Father "around" (without) him. So how can any non-christians come to heaven?

I agree if that is according to your belief. That actually shouldn't be an issue in matter of faith. In fact it's the same with every religion depending on their belief.

Islam believes the People of the Book meaning that the followers of Moses and the followers of Jesus and all other prophets will go to heaven if they do good deeds etc provided that they lived before the coming of Muhammad or they live where they never heard the message (might be a bit possible in this age of communications).

[Dromikaites]

Islam believes the People of the Book meaning that the followers of Moses and the followers of Jesus and all other prophets will go to heaven if they do good deeds etc provided that they lived before the coming of Muhammad or they live where they never heard the message (might be a bit possible in this age of communications).

He, he, see there's not much diference between Islam and Christianity: most of the Christian churches have the same approach: whoever lived a righteous life before God's visit to Earth as Jesus or after it but without ever hearing about Jesus' teachings, will go to Heaven. As for the others, tough luck!

Now you know what to do in order to secure you piece of real estate in the Garden of Eden

[AngryTitusPullo]

He, he, see there's not much diference between Islam and Christianity: most of the Christian churches have the same approach: whoever lived a righteous life before God's visit to Earth as Jesus or after it but without ever hearing about Jesus' teachings, will go to Heaven. As for the others, tough luck!

Now you know what to do in order to secure you piece of real estate in the Garden of Eden

Let's for example see Judaism as RTW 1.0 , Christianity as RTW 1.2 (with EB & RTR as the denominations) and Islam as RTW 1.5 . Might have bugs and flaws according to some, but it's a hell a lot better AI then both previous versions....

And Athiest as BI pack. They cannot exist without installing the original game.. :happy0065

[bthizle1]

Not all Christians go to Hell. As Long as you believe in God and live a good life you can make it to Heaven. We believe that Jesus shows us a better, easier way to get there as he tells us what we need to reach God and forgives us of our sins.Everyone is given their shot at making it to heaven. For some it is easier than others, but that challange makes you worthy and a better person. If for some reason you tried to believe, you truely did; mabey you even tried following the motions, and for some reason you just couldn't believe in God, that is okay. Why? Because faith is a gift from God. If you are not given that gift then so be it, it is not your time to believe yet, and there is a reason for it which you hopefully see when you do (if you do). Once again Atheists can still make it to heaven if they truely tried to believe and lead good lives, only it is incredibly difficult for them without God at thier side.

And why is God not at their side? Because they refuse to recognize something that they have never seen nor experienced? Many Athiests still have the same morals as a strict Catholic, only they don't go around publicly announcing it everywhere, instead they show it more through actions rather than words. That doesn't apply to all, but then again the Catholic who practices what he preaches doesn't apply to all Catholics either.

[Blaven]

I wonder why? Let me ask you which is more important to you as you live in America, the Koran or the constitution?

Any religious person would put their religion over the government any day. If I was a real Catholic, I would have to believe that the Bible, the word of God, is more important than any document written by man. (I know the Bible was not written by God himself, just bear with it).

Besides, believeing that Y is more important than X doesn't mean that X is suddenly null and void.

[Sétanta]

Remember, when thinking about Christians, you have to consider what the Orthodox believe, not Heterodox errors such as you would find in Western European and American 'denominations'. After all, the Orthodox were the original Church of Christ, so they know best.

Well you can call the Roman Catholic Church the "Western Orthodox Church" if it tickles your fancy. They are both Orthodox churches after all. Unless by Western European you mean Protestant.

Translation: Ugly, blatant contradiction.

Actually, in being divine he can be fully Human, Divine and Pineapple at the same time if he wanted. He was God after all, making it fully possible.

[mongoose]

Actually, in being divine he can be fully Human, Divine and Pineapple at the same time if he wanted. He was God after all, making it fully possible.

But if God is capable of overcoming any contradiction, than shouldn't things like "Free will VS no evil" be easy for him to solve?

[Last Roman]

Second, If he can die, then he must be partly human

That is a debate between many sects of Christianity. Some believe that he is all divine, indeed, God in human form, others believe him to be part human. But the reason he died (according to the Bible) is because it was God's plan. He was predestined to die.

[John I Tzimisces]

Fifth, why is it that ALL non-Christians go to hell? Why is it not like Islam where all people who believe in one God go to heaven?

Adnan

Well, gosh, I don't know. Seeing as how we don't believe that. Unless you're a loud mouthed protestant preacher south of the mason dixon with a 7 year olds spiritual education.

[God]

Well, gosh, I don't know. Seeing as how we don't believe that. Unless you're a loud mouthed protestant preacher south of the mason dixon with a 7 year olds spiritual education.

To say non-Christians don't go to hell is to ignore:

Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. -- 2 John 9

... that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -- Jn.3:16

3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. -- John 3:36

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. -- Acts 16:31

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. -- John 5:24

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. -- Mark 16:16

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. -- Romans 10:9

[Søren]

Well, gosh, I don't know. Seeing as how we don't believe that. Unless you're a loud mouthed protestant preacher south of the mason dixon with a 7 year olds spiritual education.

Hardly. Belief that only christians (i.e. not of a sect, but those who believe in Jesus' death on the cross e.t.c) go to heaven is a fundamental part of most protestant doctorine.

It's also the logical interpretation of a literalistic view of the Bible.

edit: looking at the thread I see that "God" (the member ) has already answered this by (correctly) providing some supporting evidence.

Believing that that is not the literalistic interpretation of the Bible, is, of course, somewhat naive.

So right or wrong, it's hardly an unfounded belief, and certianly not 'fringe'.

[Salazar]

AngryTitusPullo: I didnt mean that it is a disadvantage of islam, quite the contrary.
I meant that this is an Advantage of islam over christianity (or certain interpretions of christianity to be correct).

[Last Roman]

lighten up Rush, he's only 14

[Sétanta]

lighten up Rush, he's only 14

If he draws his Scimitar against God he is an enemy of the Church. God wills it!


Cough....um. Yes. Well.

[Rush Limbaugh]

lighten up Rush, he's only 14

I don't consider myslef an offensive guy. Im just a harmless lovable little fuzzball

And im in my light mode

[Shadow_Imperator]

And the punch-line comes out...