Heaven

[Richard the Lionheart]

I thought it'd be cool to have a little thread about Heaven. :original:



We already have some different details regarding the features and characteristics of heaven, as derived from Biblical and Koranic texts, but both of these texts seem to leave out some rather important and interesting details.

How exactly do things work in heaven? For example, is there some sort of social structure in heaven? Is there anything like social interaction between people? Do people still maintain feelings and emotions towards each other and their surroundings?

Perhaps it could be said that negative emotions such as hate will not exist due to the lack of evil, but what about love and attraction towards others?

Some say that one can have anything one wants in heaven. But what if the desire or wish of one individual conflicts with that of another. For example, let's say one person wants the "companionship" *wink wink* of a specific individual, but what if that specific individual is not interested?


See where I'm going with this? Anyways, I'm sure there are various different views, interpretations, opinions, beliefs, and thoughts regarding this matter, so let's hear them all. :tacticalw


P.S. For those of you who want to start arguing against the existence of heaven, in this thread we are assuming that heaven exists. :tooth:

[MasterAdnin]

Heaven is a much much much much better form of Eart, so I guess all feelings exist, but things that we consider bad don't, ie greed, money, etc.

Adnan

[John I Tzimisces]

Heaven is not a place.
Heaven...is oneness with God.
It is a state, more than anything (like nirvana? I suppose? Wouldn't know...)

[Richard the Lionheart]

Heaven is not a place.
Heaven...is oneness with God.
It is a state, more than anything (like nirvana? I suppose? Wouldn't know...)

Yep, that's one of the interpretations.

[rez]

Effectively the sort of people that bring the real evil to earth wont be in heaven.

As such the idea of dastardly EVIL shouldn't be a factor in heaven. But rejection, jealousy and general Pathos are all perfectly viable if you believe you retain your persona.

As such - there is no powerful evil in heaven, but there is negative emotion if heaven is what they say.

The idea of an utterly blissful place with absolutely no problems for all eternity is far too childish

[Richard the Lionheart]

Effectively the sort of people that bring the real evil to earth wont be in heaven.

As such the idea of dastardly EVIL shouldn't be a factor in heaven. But rejection, jealousy and general Pathos are all perfectly viable if you believe you retain your persona.

As such - there is no powerful evil in heaven, but there is negative emotion if heaven is what they say.

The idea of an utterly blissful place with absolutely no problems for all eternity is far too childish

But the religious basis behind the issue is that certain negative emotions such as jealousy and greed are rooted in evil and will therefore not exist.

However, in regards to the feeling of rejection and sadness, I don't know. But if one follows the interpretation which states that heaven is a place where one can have anything they want, the feeling of rejection should not exist.

[MasterAdnin]

But the religious basis behind the issue is that certain negative emotions such as jealousy and greed are rooted in evil and will therefore not exist.

However, in regards to the feeling of rejection and sadness, I don't know. But if one follows the interpretation which states that heaven is a place where one can have anything they want, the feeling of rejection should not exist.

Heaven, like exc|Imperator said, don't remember your new name , it is being in oneness with Allah, one will never had bad emotions. Remember, that once with Allah, all humanly emotions are gone, Allah is too complex to have such petty emotions. Now agree , .


Adnan

[Miraj]

Heaven, like exc|Imperator said, don't remember your new name , it is being in oneness with Allah, one will never had bad emotions. Remember, that once with Allah, all humanly emotions are gone, Allah is too complex to have such petty emotions. Now agree , .


Adnan

So you then agree the Quran is wrong? Since the Quran is replete with Allah having petty human emotions (wrath, hate, love, sneering, mocking etc).

[MasterAdnin]

So you then agree the Quran is wrong? Since the Quran is replete with Allah having petty human emotions (wrath, hate, love, sneering, mocking etc).

When did it say he had those emotions?

Adnan

[Barbarian-Bob]

I remember reading about hierarchy in heaven on Wikipedia. Was quite interesting actually. I'd give a link, but Wikipedia (or the seaching engine anyway) seems to be down at the moment.

All I remember was that there were distinct number of "beings" in heaven, like 7 such creatures, and 12 such creatures, and they had different functions. They also had strange names I can't remember. One of these types of beings started with "ch-", that's all I can remember.

Lol, I must seem very vague, but it's a while since I read it. I'll put it up once Wiki gets back online. Anyone else heard of this? I was very surprised at the time, because I'd never heard of it before.


Also, heaven is along the lines of being "with God", however you choose to interpret that. There's also talk about a "new-Jerusalem" and such (and a new earth?) where only the people who got to heaven can live. The new earth could be heaven, but what do I know?

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Do you mean cherubs?

[Barbarian-Bob]

Do you mean cherubs?

Hmm... I don't really remember, but it sounds familiar when you say it. Cherubs... I'll just google it and see what comes up. Thank you! :happy0144

[rez]

you gave the example of rejection yourself with the jilted lover.

imagine now that the amorous advances of a person were rejected for someone else. Are you telling me that in heaven negative emotions like jealousy will be suppressed in this instance.

A place where my emotions and capabilities to feel and live are severely limited is not a place i would like to be.

Yes i do include negative emotion in that statement.

[LegionnaireX]

you gave the example of rejection yourself with the jilted lover.

imagine now that the amorous advances of a person were rejected for someone else. Are you telling me that in heaven negative emotions like jealousy will be suppressed in this instance.

A place where my emotions and capabilities to feel and live are severely limited is not a place i would like to be.

Yes i do include negative emotion in that statement.

Being in the presence of God who has unconditional love for you is not somewhere you want to be? A place where everybody strives to do good and all things are possible is not somewhere you want to be?

My friend, heaven is a divine and perfect Utopia, if that is not where you want to be than I don't know where is.

[Zacheria]

Quick side note; When Jesus preached about the kingdom of heaven he was not talking about a place you go to when you die, but the earth itself. He wanted the world to be as a heaven. This is why I don't really like modern christianity, because it is more based around the church and achieving passage into heaven, then about creating a better life for all on earth. I am aware of the charity and so forth the church brings, but I still feel as the main concern of Christianity is gaining passage into the afterlife.

[Felixion]

Isn't it so that any refelction that anyone can give on what heaven is false, if heaven exists, no one has any idea to the "structure" of heaven. I may be missing something, but how do you all come to these conclusions?

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Isn't it so that any refelction that anyone can give on what heaven is false, if heaven exists, no one has any idea to the "structure" of heaven. I may be missing something, but how do you all come to these conclusions?

A thing called the Bible. Where most Christian conclusions come from.

[rez]

However the difference is that the Qu'ran was supposedly dictated by the divine - so any words in there supposedly come from God himself

[removeduser_426582376423734]

However the difference is that the Qu'ran was supposedly dictated by the divine - so any words in there supposedly come from God himself

And God spoke Arabic?

[Dromikaites]

And God spoke Arabic?

Yep! He is omnipotent and omniscient.