What campaign DLC?

[NitzanLeo]

An expansion with a slightly later period, covering the Byzantine Empire and the Western Roman Empire, just as a normal campaign, not a specific war. Though most of the ideas here are really nice, if they could actually be done--more as like a smaller one war campaign on a much smaller time period and scale. I liked the Peloponnesian War and the Conquest of Britain.

[Viper109]

I hope there will be a Greek campain in her glory days.

[Tenerife_Boy]

I voted for Greco Persian wars (as far as I could understood ) but the Diadochi Wars would be awsome too

[Mary The Quene]

Diadochi

[hamjam]

I've been hoping for a Peloponnesian game for years, so I'd love if they did an expansion for that. It would be awesome if the map stayed vast, but put more focus on Greece -- then you could play through the Peloponnesian war, unify Greece, and then start going east or west. I am sure the map would have to include at least southern Italy, Sicily, and the coast of Asia Minor.

The Diadochi Wars would be great also -- though, I don't have a lot of hope we'll get either of these (despite how popular they would be) since it seems the expansions tend to be further on in history of the main game rather than further into the past. Well, except for Alexander -- so maybe there is hope.

[Lord Baratheon]

Please no more hellenism. I am actually suprised there is so many votes for hellenistic campaigns and not for Caesar. In a game aout ancient Rome!
Conquest of Britain would be amazing too. Think of a huge map done in the new style. Beautiful it would be. It would work as the Americas campaign from medieval did,
with you seeking supplies from the empire. Britain should be represented as wild and dangerous to the Romans. Druids could be agents. Please consider it CA. Oh and include Ireland

[BroskiDerpman]

They should make one campaign before the time frame of the main game and one after: With the same areas covered of course. Sort of like RotS and FotS for Shogun 2.

[honguqia]

where there are competitions, the customers win.

[Cvetko]

PERSIAN WARS it is.

I wanna se some real Achamenid #, you know Achamenid empire had:

- epic spearmen
- silk embrodiered unarmoured elephants
- gold chariots
- arshtibara elite infantry
- immortal elite infantry

[Mary The Quene]

PERSIAN WARS it is.

I wanna se some real Achamenid #, you know Achamenid empire had:

- epic spearmen
- silk embrodiered unarmoured elephants
- gold chariots
- arshtibara elite infantry
- immortal elite infantry

Immortals you say?

[Kinjo]

Personally I don't like mini campaign DLC's so none, I much rather have DLC that adds to the grand campaign like the Greek culture faction pack.

[RandyRhoads]

Peloponnesian of course, who wouldnt want to play that!?

[MaceHead]

Peloponnesian Total war (around 450 BC)

They can make a large map of Greece (and part of Italy and Asia minor) with all the independent city states and leagues. The different factions can be:

Ionian Greeks
The city of Athens
The Ionian league
Dorian Greeks
The city of Argos
The city of Corinth
The Locrian cities
The Rhodian cities
The Cretan cities
The state of Lacedaimon (Sparta)
Northern Greeks
The Boeotian league (Thebes)
The kingdom of Macedon
Thessaly
Epirus
The Molossian kingdom (Epirotes)
Greeks of Italy
The city of Syracuse
The city of Croton
The city of Taras
Uncivilised Barbarians
Illyrian tribes
Thracian tribes
Civilised Barbarians
The Persian empire
The Etruscan league

Reasons why Peloponnesian Total war is a great idea:

- Massive use of diplomacy: Will allow CA to use their improved diplomacy features.
- Spartans are a major player. People love Sparta. Great draw card/great for advertising.
- Allows CA to implement many minor factions. Each island is practically a separate faction.
- Loads of players love Hellenistic culture. The Greeks, Macedonians, Seleucids etc. They are just as interesting as Rome and can be quite varied.
- There will still be a mix of cultures: Greek; Ionian and Dorian, Italian Greeks, Italians/Italian 'Barbarians' (in Greek's eyes), Barbarians such as Thrace, Persian, Macedonian.
(from Snizel)

[Tellach]

i would love to see the wars of Sicily (480-212 BC)

[jtfjtfjtf]

Alexander's conquest followed by the Diadochi Wars.

[zagy20]

I think any of those would work for a small campaign like Rise of the Samurai but I think a Barbarian Invasion type campaign would work well as a Fall of the Samurai type large expansion. I really liked Barbarian Invasion except for how hard it was to make Paganism the state religion but since religion has been completly redone since then I think it would work even better.

[osros]

I look forward to the DLCs to add gameplay. I hope for more Early and Later time period battles or campaign DLCs.

[Snizel]

Great to see Peloponnesian War is in front. It would make an EPIC mini-campaign. I wrote up ideas for it on the total war forums. I'll repost:

Peloponnesian War all the way. CA have Thucydides's book to research the **** out of and create a mostly historical campaign setting. They could have one month turns which would equal 324 turns for the 27 year long war. Perfect.

Furthermore, the Peloponnesian War had LOADS of different 'factions' with both Athens and Sparta having many allies/vassal states under their respective Delian and Peloponnesian Leagues. Major playable factions should include:
- Athens
- Sparta
- Macedon - Neutral but eventually against Athens and/or views Athens less favourably than Sparta.
- Corinth - Allied with Sparta
- Thrace - Allied with Athens or as a vassal of Athens.
- One or more of the Sicilian Greeks - 3/4 of the Sicilian Greeks would naturally favour an alliance with Sparta/pro-Sparta, however, If Athens plays its cards right, they can win over some of the powerful Sicilian factions. Sicily can act as sort of a goal for both sides of the war to either capture or ally with for further support.

Other factions such as Thebes or some island Greeks may be playable too to add flavour. While they weren't huge forces in the war, they did influence it enough to shape it.

This was a time of numerous conflicts all around the Greek world. It was total war - a fight to the death with both sides hating each other more and more as the conflict raged on. The campaign could revolve around the two alliances of Athens and Sparta with the early game period focused on both sides trying to win over factions to their cause and expanding their territories and military power. Once the player's faction is powerful enough, a 'realm divide' sort of scenario takes place with one league declaring war on the other, at which point all factions must declare their allegiance to either side.

However, during the 'realm divide period' aka the Peloponnesian War proper, factions can change their allegiance (as which happened in reality) and Athens will have to constantly be policing her island vassals. Athens will no doubt be more of an offensive faction with a campaign difficulty of easy/medium and bonuses in population, wealth and naval power. Sparta will be more defensive with a difficulty of medium/hard with bonuses in troop quality, troop morale and skill level and have stronger diplomatic relations/more loyal allies. Sparta will have the advantage on land with superior troops but Athens will rule the waves and be able to launch attacks at Sparta from the rear. That is not to say Sparta won't have any naval power, they can still put up a fight against Athens at sea, but they may have for example only 2 naval stacks while Athens will have 6 or so and with superior ships albeit with a much larger sea based empire to patrol.

A campaign set up in this way would allow for enormous conflicts between two juggernauts. And with the added improved diplomacy features such as ordering allies to attack cities or join your army, vassals and allies could join the battles between Athens and Sparta, allowing the minor factions to become more involved as they did in reality.

The map could look something like this.



Reasons why the Peloponnesian War is a great idea:

- Massive use of diplomacy: Will allow CA to use their improved diplomacy features.
- 2 major powers/sides: CA seem to like this model from Shogun 2 and it works to stop end game boredom from having no powerful enemies left to fight.
- Spartans are a major player. People love Sparta. Great draw card/great for advertising.
- Allows CA to implement many minor factions. Each island is practically a separate faction. CA can even include Persia and very early Rome into the game. While not historically directly involved in the war, they may be fun to play although I'd prefer if they weren't because they would spoil the balance of the war as outside invaders. Plus Rome at this time was weak.
- Allows for seasonal changes with 12 turns per year. Many fans are disappointed with 1 turn years and this can make it up to them.
- Loads of players love Hellenistic culture. The Greeks, Macedonians, Seleucids etc. They are just as interesting as Rome and can be quite varied.
- There will still be a mix of cultures: Greek; Ionian and Dorian, Italian Greeks, Italians/Italian 'Barbarians' (in Greek's eyes), Barbarians such as Thrace, Persian, Macedonian.
- It's a relatively well known war and occurred at the peak of Greek power and cultural prosperity.

What do you guys think?

[MaceHead]

Great idea! but I would like to see this idea with a longer time span than only 27 years. I would like to see 100 years 400 turns. 470-370 BC. That way I have the opportunity to build a independent empire with Rhodes, and conquer the whole map.

[Snizel]

Great idea! but I would like to see this idea with a longer time span than only 27 years. I would like to see 100 years 400 turns. 470-370 BC.

Thanks . That could work too but I think a campaign specifically set during the Peloponnesian War will allow CA to implement many unique diplomatic and political features to represent the Delian and Peloponnesian leagues. It would be similar to Fall of the Samurai with two 'greater factions' vying to crush the other.

See the spread of the leagues. There isn't a clear border between the two meaning there would be battles on all fronts. Macedon however really should be a neutral zone but these maps are showing alliance from the start of the war and Macedon was with Athens but not throughout.


Even better map showing what the map should look like:


Notice there are neutral (grey) Greeks who can be swayed to either side (as many of them were historically). The Barbarians (green) can pose an outside threat to all the Greeks (bar Thrace who should be a vassal state of Athens) and Persia, while they should be in the campaign, they should not control as much land as they did historically or at least the map should be cropped so that Persia poses a minimal threat. Persia is the biggest issue for this campaign setting as Athens could simply conquer a nerfed Persia's lands but if Persia is made too powerful they can become a player in what is supposed to be a Greek war. I guess balancing could fix this or CA could make it impossible for the player to attack Persia (and vice versa) only allowing economic and political alliances with Persia as in Persia can fund either league and provide mercenaries for hire.