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    The Internet episodes appear to be a week ahead of TV screenings. I don't have history or HBO nordic anyway so I don't care either way.
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    Don't you have internet?
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    I am really loving this show.
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    The Internet episodes appear to be a week ahead of TV screenings. I don't have history or HBO nordic anyway so I don't care either way.
    Är du Norska eller Svenska?

    I have to watch it online too... didnt even know it was aired over here.

    This show will basically be following the same story in Bernard Cromwells books the Saxon Chronicals, which began with the Last Kingdom. But obviously, from the other sides perspective.

    The Saxons are shown as so ****ing weak... which is partly right.
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    Meh. The Saxon chronicles were good the first book, but after repeating the same damn plot line over and over each and every book (Yes we all know he is going to side with the saxons in the end, despite his upbringing and how much more he identifies with the Vikings) And with that damn "conflicted" main character who wins everything basically by himself making everyone else seem like bumbling buffoons in comparison. Same problems as with the "Arn" books really. I grew really tired by the fourth or so book.

    The Saxons are shown as so ****ing weak... which is partly right.
    That said, the Saxons became far more warrior-cultured as they became hardened by war with the Norse kingdoms. By the turn of the millennia there was not much difference in material ability between the Northmen and the Saxons really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torongill View Post
    4. You guess wrong. And you seem to have a hard time understanding it.
    Foreign cultures are foreign cultures, but we are all humans, slaves(or masters) of our vices, desires and dreams. King Harald died trying to crush a rebellion led by his own son. The father of king Eric the Victorious died from poisoning and I'm pretty sure there were more examples. Honor, family and friendship were valued among all societies, not just the Vikings. That's what I'm trying to tell you, there are bad apples all around.
    2. Usually when you begin to do something, you haven't already done it. Do you get it now?
    Agreed.

    Also Habelo, you seem a little arrogant. Maybe try not taking the show so seriously. You are obviously very interested in Viking culture but when you start acting like a little ***** and treating people on this thread like **** then it is time to retire.
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    Habelo is awfully arrogant, its best not to discuss with him from what I have seen.

    I find myself liking the show quite a bit.

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    Spoilers from episode 4 (Which was great)


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    A real solid episode, particularly the first half with Ragnar again exercising his cunning with raiding that village on a Sunday morning when everyone was at church. The battle half way was pretty damn awesome and perhaps the first time I've seen a believable shield wall battle on screen ever. Typically battles of this kind instantly descend into the 1 on 1 Hollywood scramble.

    A bit of a downturn when they got back home to Kategat (The sea between Denmark and Sweden, the historical border between Norway, Denmark and Sweden, meaning the Village is somewhere around Bohuslen, perhaps around where Göteborg is today)

    I expected someone as smart as Ragnar to have a plan ready to depose the Earl on return, surly he must have known something like that was coming. Seems that will be next episode though. Really the earl should not be hard to depose considering Ragnar sit on the key for nearly unlimited riches. I predict a holmgang (Duel to the death) coming next episode


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    I also enjoyed the last epidsode, specially Rollo's battlecrys.

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    Yeah the episode was pretty epic. I don't have as much knowledge as you fellows on Viking culture but it feels so much more believable than anything else I have seen on them.

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    now that we're in the New Testament it seems like the show is really starting to take off.

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    I am not sure but i would have expected that the Saxons would use a Shieldwall too. Maybe they were no Huscarls or to optimistic by their superiority in numbers.

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    Their shields were too small for a shieldwall. But in reality they did use a shieldwall, although I suppose the writers wanted to portray the difference between the Vikings and the Saxons.
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    My only real gripe with the "history" of the show is the overall chronology of events in which they are putting Ragnar about 60 years ahead of his real time, and apparently mixing up other characters too. The "real" Ragnar was completely separate from the earliest raids on Lindisfarne and I'm pretty sure no source ever even mentions Ragnar being involved in any of the later raids either. Furthermore, Aella was not king of Norhtumbria ca 800 at the times of the first raids and was probably not even born yet as he died in 867. Also, it seems as though they are trying to portray Rollo, Ragnar's brother, as the Rollo who would go on to found Normandy which is just wrong. In the show Ragnar's brother Rollo is portrayed as being very tall and muscular and resentful of Ragnar. Historically, Rollo was known for his impressive size and it seems like the show is obviously setting up some kind of split between Ragnar and Rollo which would easily allow the narrative of the show to have their Rollo go off to Normandy, which would just be ridiculous. I'm also not sure if they are somehow trying to shoehorn Canute the Great into the show as that random warrior named Canute but whatever.

    Don't get me wrong though, I love 90% of this show and its characters, I think the inclusion of Lagertha and Bjorn Ironside are really nice touches and are awesome characters. I just wish they didn't fudge the timeline and characters involved so much to fit their story. I could be wrong about the whole Rollo thing but my prediction is that is what is going to happen when he and Ragnar finally split.
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    How long would a voyage from Katakat to Northumbria have taken? How many days? Compared to a voyage to the Baltic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aemilius Lepidus View Post
    I am not sure but i would have expected that the Saxons would use a Shieldwall too. Maybe they were no Huscarls or to optimistic by their superiority in numbers.
    The Huscarls only entered the Saxon warrior hierarchy after Canute the Great occupied England around 1016 with his danish army. They were originally the bodyguards of the danish kings and lords similar to the Norwegian hird. Like i said before the Saxons became very much like the Scandinavians after four centuries of fighting and cultural assimilation. At this point though there was no Huscarls armed with great horse-splitting axes as with the Saxon army in 1066.

    As for the beach battle yeah the Saxon knew how to use the shield wall probably. But these were probably just some local guys from the local levy (Fyrd) which worst opponent up to this point had been the odd Gaelic raiding band. The Vikings in the show evidently is much more experienced due to their travels and battles to the east and their death defying religion, like the marshal said to the king afterwards.

    Although R.I.P to the huge bearded metal viking guy that was killed at the end of the episode. I thing they did a mistake by killing him off, he looked so awesome in the battles walking about killing people :laugther:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    The Huscarls only entered the Saxon warrior hierarchy after Canute the Great occupied England around 1016 with his danish army. They were originally the bodyguards of the danish kings and lords similar to the Norwegian hird. Like i said before the Saxons became very much like the Scandinavians after four centuries of fighting and cultural assimilation.

    As for the beach battle yeah the Saxon knew how to use the shield wall probably. But these were probably just some local guys from the local levy (Fyrd) which worst opponent was the odd Gaelic raiding band. The Vikings in the show evidently were much more experienced due to their travels to the east and their religion like the marshal said to the king afterwards.

    Although R.I.P to the huge bearded metal viking guy that was killed at the end. I thing they did a mistake by killing him off, he looked so awesome in the battles walking about killing people :laugther:
    He was my favourite viking but I kind of like that he died. It just shows you that anyone can die, except Ragnar!

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    He was Beowulf from "The 13th Warrior" and "The Swede" from Smokin' Aces and also IIRC one of tha Danes in the Middle Age slashfest Ironclad(which featured Marc "Jupiter's cock" Antony - James Purefoy)

    But in a way it was the final insult - the weakish Earl and his fat toad of a right hand murdering the Tall Warrior they wouldn't face in battle. Basically it gives legal and spiritual permission to Ragnar and his Vikings to overthrow the Earl and his henchmen and start the Viking Age
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    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    The Huscarls only entered the Saxon warrior hierarchy after Canute the Great occupied England around 1016 with his danish army. They were originally the bodyguards of the danish kings and lords similar to the Norwegian hird. Like i said before the Saxons became very much like the Scandinavians after four centuries of fighting and cultural assimilation. At this point though there was no Huscarls armed with great horse-splitting axes as with the Saxon army in 1066.

    As for the beach battle yeah the Saxon knew how to use the shield wall probably. But these were probably just some local guys from the local levy (Fyrd) which worst opponent up to this point had been the odd Gaelic raiding band. The Vikings in the show evidently is much more experienced due to their travels and battles to the east and their death defying religion, like the marshal said to the king afterwards.

    Although R.I.P to the huge bearded metal viking guy that was killed at the end of the episode. I thing they did a mistake by killing him off, he looked so awesome in the battles walking about killing people :laugther:

    You are probably right but I feel their battle gear was too good to be just levy.

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    Ragnar has to take the Earl down. It will destroy him if he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar Germanico View Post
    You are probably right but I feel their battle gear was too good to be just levy.
    I agree, for the 800's their equipment was pretty much top notch.

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