Ships can o longer be captured

[torongill]

Until we see a clarification, this could mean all sorts of things. I actually approve. This isn't NTW or S2TW. In this era there were lots of peoples who didn't have any idea of naval warfare. Do you really expect the Iberians to be able to effectively use a Hellenic sixteen-rower or even a quinquereme in the same turn they captured it? The whole notion is ridiculous. Besides, the whole system used in NTW isn't really realistic. It should cost you to have a captured ship be reused and if you don't use it, then the value of the ships should be mostly lost to you(the faction), but morale of the ships that participated in that action should increase. Either that or the admiral, that commanded the squadron should get a trait that increases morale(due to sailors knowing he will make them rich )

[Petroniu]

This is really stupid because the Romans won the 1st Punic War by capturing a Quinquireme from the Carthaginians and copying its model to build their owns. I can't see the reasoning here. Maybe the barbarians shouldn't be able to capture it because they don't know how to use it and they aren't naval powers but the civilised factions should.

[Sebastianus Somerus]

This is really stupid because the Romans won the 1st Punic War by capturing a Quinquireme from the Carthaginians and copying its model to build their owns. I can't see the reasoning here. Maybe the barbarians shouldn't be able to capture it because they don't know how to use it and they aren't naval powers but the civilised factions should.

They indeed captured a carthaginian ship but because the carthaginians had more experience in ramming etc the Romans had to use their advantage, fighting on land. boarding thus.

I just would like it to have a boarding bridge tech for the romans. Every faction will have a different tech tree so it's possible.

[Ichon]

This is really stupid because the Romans won the 1st Punic War by capturing a Quinquireme from the Carthaginians and copying its model to build their owns. I can't see the reasoning here. Maybe the barbarians shouldn't be able to capture it because they don't know how to use it and they aren't naval powers but the civilised factions should.

They did not capture that ship in battle though- it was a lightly damaged shipwreck. However this is a secondary source and it could well reflect the idea that capturing a ship in battle doesn't automatically give you the crew to row it. You can move it slowly with a skeleton crew back to port for repairs and outfit with a full crew but not automatically advance to the next battle which seemed a bit stupid honestly even for ETW era where captured ships were common but once captured they were also sent back to port as running with a skeleton crew made them nearly useless in battles.

Far as boarding- not sure why a 3 ship unit would prevent boarding. CA can have animation where 2 ships of the 3 ship group move up to either side of a targeted ship and if one of those ships surrenders/crew killed then the 3rd ship moves up. Alternately ships could move parallel and tie up and crews board across the decks of their comrades ships. Battle records talk about such boarding tactics. Usually over the prow which would be cool to see CA implement but I can see it working still with parallel boarding. UUOU where U is friendly and O is enemy. Or it could be UO UO UO as each ship of a 3 ship unit attacks another ship in another 3 ship unit.

[Mementomoridc]

This is really stupid because the Romans won the 1st Punic War by capturing a Quinquireme from the Carthaginians and copying its model to build their owns. I can't see the reasoning here. Maybe the barbarians shouldn't be able to capture it because they don't know how to use it and they aren't naval powers but the civilised factions should.

Not all but some "barbarian" factions made better "ships" than thier mediteranian counterparts. They were not war ships they were trading ships but they were faster more sea worthy and from counts large enough that they couldn't not be boarded easily.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Not all but some "barbarian" factions made better "ships" than thier mediteranian counterparts. They were not war ships they were trading ships but they were faster more sea worthy and from counts large enough that they couldn't not be boarded easily.

The Veneti in Gaul were sea traders who also built ships that the romans could not board with their triremes.

[Yayattasa]

Well, if you have some extra rowers it's okay to capture it I guess.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Hopefully these are just rumours because it would be ridiculous to fight a battle, board the enemy ships and end the battle with # ships sunk, making you wonder didnt you just board and capture them?

[LordInvictus]

Just make it so that only certain factions can capture each others ships (barbarians can only capture barbarian ships, Etc)

[Mementomoridc]

Just make it so that only certain factions can capture each others ships (barbarians can only capture barbarian ships, Etc)

Your telling me that "barbarians" do not have the ability to use ****ing row boats? For all intensive purposes that is what most Mediterranean ships were...

[Thorn777]

Just make it so that only certain factions can capture each others ships (barbarians can only capture barbarian ships, Etc)

One word: Vandals

[Tim_Ward]

An odd decision, if true.

[Ryou]

This is a sad day for TW.
The third major dissapointment I have about R2TW after finding out Jeff Van Dyke will not make the sound track for R2 and that there is fixed animations for combat (meaning soldiers wouldn't be able to cut down an enemy from behind.)

[LordInvictus]

So you think that the Suebi or Arverni would be able to use a quinquireme effectively the first time they see one?

Besides, what kind of ships did "barbarians" use?

[Tim_Ward]

[LordInvictus]

The ship on the right resembles Mediterranean ships so I guess "barbarians" would know how to use them.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

This better not be true. The Romans main tactic in the period regarding naval warfare (i.e. 1st Punic War onwards) was the use of the corvus, effectively pinning them in place, boarding them and capturing the ship.

Another important thing is the capture of enemy ships, using them in future battles; if CA removes this mechanic it kills gameplay in that area in my eyes.

This is just like their removal of the "demand/give regions" mechanic in Shogun - it killed gameplay for me. For the love of God CA, let us see these former options re-integrated into the game! Don't make Rome 2 a shambles......

[Yayattasa]

Well, not capturing =/= not boarding.

[torongill]

This better not be true. The Romans main tactic in the period regarding naval warfare (i.e. 1st Punic War onwards) was the use of the corvus, effectively pinning them in place, boarding them and capturing the ship.

And what exactly has this got to do with boarding?

The translation clearly states you can't capture ships and reuse them after that. It makes sense, because to reuse the ship you would need oarmen(who will not be modelled for the sake of your PC's health) and the first order of business of the victor in a naval battle was to either execute the captured enemy oarmen, or sell them to the slavers. The ships themselves might be towed to port, repaired and refitted with a new crew, but you shouldn't be able to exploit the prize of war cheat in ETW/NTW(which is ridiculous when you really look at it).

[torongill]

I think this will be the way to go - you can board and take over enemy ships, but then you automatically sell them for profit. There's no way to recruit the crew of the enemy vessel the way it is in ETW and NTW.