Legendary+ campaign

[totalwar_legend]

Hey everyone,

new to TWS2 threads. I've mostly been on M2TW. I'm thinking of doing another Shogun campaign, this time on legendary. However, I kind of wanted to push it a little further in difficulty - just to be a little more extreme and different.

If I was to declare war on all other clans on turn 1, would that make it utterly insane?

If yes, then I might just try it.

[Larkin]

Hm, due to the layout of Japan it'd depend on which clan you chose - a clan at either tip or on an island would be relatively easy to do this.

You could always do the FotS declaration of a Republic. That gets pretty crazy, and your armies are teched enough for some crazy battles to happen.

[totalwar_legend]

I haven't done a legendary campaign before, and I heard it was extremely difficult just on its own. If I was to do this, I might as well chose a clan that's in the middle of japan, surrounded by enemies. What's FotS declaration of a Republic?

[Larkin]

I haven't done a legendary campaign before, and I heard it was extremely difficult just on its own. If I was to do this, I might as well chose a clan that's in the middle of japan, surrounded by enemies. What's FotS declaration of a Republic?

It's pretty tricky, but if you have a strategy worked out it's alright. It is very geographical. I've done Legendary campaigns as Shimazu, Date and Chosokabe without much trouble, though I hear the Uesugi or whatever they're called and the Ikko Ikki are very hard to do.

In Fall of the Samurai, instead of declaring yourself Shogun when you hit the realm divide style level of power, you can choose to either throw your lot in with the Emperor, Shogun, or declare a Republic and seize power for yourself. The latter option creates not civil war, but everyone against you, and has ended many a campaign. Units desert, provinces rebel, agents cease to exist... it's pretty intense.

[totalwar_legend]

Oh ok. I heard only a small percentage of people have even completed a legendary campaign at all. You're making it sound like its not that hard. I don't have fall of the samurai.

[wealthmonger]

You won't be able to declare war on every clan on turn 1 unless you use a fog of war removal mod. You could do Hattori and take Kyoto as quickly as possible then everyone starts to declare on you. High upkeep of their units coupled with everyone against you is extremely difficult.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

Conquer the whole map with only Yari ashigaru or only with light cavalry, no diplomacy,declare war on the shogun the first time you come in contact with them, no trade, no agents.

[Cruzz]

Hey everyone,

new to TWS2 threads. I've mostly been on M2TW. I'm thinking of doing another Shogun campaign, this time on legendary. However, I kind of wanted to push it a little further in difficulty - just to be a little more extreme and different.

If I was to declare war on all other clans on turn 1, would that make it utterly insane?

If yes, then I might just try it.

A game where you declare war on clans immediately when you discover them (you can't declare war without first finding an army or province that they own) sounds like it would purely a game of luck. It can be completed, but completing it requires you to constantly get lucky by not having one or more AIs attack a town you're not defending (and you really can't defend all of them). This isn't like the previous games in the series, the AI mostly does give a decent fight on the campaign map at harder difficulties though this is marred somewhat by it's bad performance in castle fights.

Legendary is not that difficult when you know how to play it. FOTS legendary is even less difficult if you know how to play it, to be honest even when going republic it's easier than s2 is with some clans/seeds. If you really want to try your idea, try completing an Uesugi, Takeda or Date legendary campaign where you only use diplo screen to declare war first.

BTW. The clans in the middle of Japan are generally some of the easiest for Legendary when you're not limiting what you can do with the AI. Oda being in an easiness class of it's own.

[totalwar_legend]

So then which would be the hardest. Because that's what I want to do. And yes, I did mean declare war when they were encountered. No allies.

[Cruzz]

So then which would be the hardest. Because that's what I want to do. And yes, I did mean declare war when they were encountered. No allies.

I'd assume Uesugi, Takeda or Hattori would be the most difficult playing like this. Out of those I guess I'd say Uesugi is the hardest. It's easy to say which would be the easiest though: Oda.

[DeliCiousTZM]

I'd assume Uesugi, Takeda or Hattori would be the most difficult playing like this. Out of those I guess I'd say Uesugi is the hardest. It's easy to say which would be the easiest though: Oda.

Oda would be no problem doing this. I feel like Hattori could handle it as well. Uesugi is pretty hard period so they wont be getting easier with this. Ikko ikki already starts with it so no difference there.

in any case buddy you should just play Legendary normal especially if you haven't tried it before. And if you just came on here to boost about your skill, before even playing it, your name is Total war Legend after all. Just go online Head to Head vs other people and see how strong you are if you are into that sort of thing.

[Lord Baratheon]

Total war legend, I looked at you medieval vids, and while I see you are a very good player, I can't help wondering whats the fun in just blitzing the map at insane pace.

[totalwar_legend]

Total war legend, I looked at you medieval vids, and while I see you are a very good player, I can't help wondering whats the fun in just blitzing the map at insane pace.

Because its a challenge. Turtle campaigns bore me. I like winning despite terrible odds.

[grouchy13]

I have to agree with the monetary dude, Legendary is no cake walk and many of my bro's who've been TW heads for years and have been stumped by Legendary, no BS Legendary is the real deal in TW challenges and makes the challenge of VH campaings of yore IE RTW and M2TW just seem, well a bit wet TBH. Iknow I've done em all and am proud to say I'm a 0.9%er lol!

In terms of the most challenging TWS2 Campaigns for the main Campaign, gotta be either Hattori (Kisho upkeep penalty, proximity to Kyoto etc etc) Uesugi simply because their like a red rag to a bull and in no time you'll be fighting war on all fronts or the DLC twins Ikko Ikki or Otomo as the religion bonus means the AI is soon dead against you and the diplomacy map is a sea of red.

To my eternal shame I've only cracked Shimazu, Chosokabe and Date on Legendary but I would recommend to you to follow wealthmongers advice, go Hattori if you do it and prove it I can see many of the Heads round here showing you alot more respect.

In terms of blitzing on TWS2 I would say the advent of the smaller factions/states and the large armies they often turtle since ETW have consigned uber fast blitzing of the M2TW style to the history books

[DeliCiousTZM]

I don't consider Hattori hard on legendary straight up. Ueusgi and Ikko ikki are probable the hardest factions to play as for different reasons. Uesugi starts with nothing, and that is what makes them hard.

I wanna make the case that Ikko ikki is the hardest faction to play as, and i make this because you need to master many different aspects of the game. Religious conversion, diplomatic relationship,lack of competent spears/bow and cost efficient micro/macro management. As you grow with Ikko ikki you get poorer administration cost grows profitable veins army needed grow. it can be a horrible grind. Uesugi you pretty much expand north and your set.

Win Ikko ikki on Legendary and it will show how well versed you are.

[Gnufan]

Shogun 2 is without doubt the hardest total war game to date. I hope you can come up with something crazy but legendary can be hard even if you abuse the AI to the fullest.

[SleepySteve]

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[totalwar_legend]

Ok I've started a campaign. I've decided to go with the Uesugi on Legendary. I think declaring war on everyone straight away is suicide so I've decided to put some other restrictions. Aside from the first unit of Yari Samurai that start with, I will recruit no Samurai units. Also I won't be using guns, artillery, agents or monks. Pretty much just restricted to Ashigaru units and light cavalry.

[DeliCiousTZM]

Ok I've started a campaign. I've decided to go with the Uesugi on Legendary. I think declaring war on everyone straight away is suicide so I've decided to put some other restrictions. Aside from the first unit of Yari Samurai that start with, I will recruit no Samurai units. Also I won't be using guns, artillery, agents or monks. Pretty much just restricted to Ashigaru units and light cavalry.

Restricting yourself to only samurai is harder. I know of people that only use Samurai too make Legendary harder.
Here is my Uesugi campaign

[totalwar_legend]

Ok, I might just do Ikko Ikki then. What would be a good restriction or challenge for them?