Ptolemaics weren't more specific faction than Seleucids

[Kraut]

I really liked to play them in Rome I, but all those threads make me wish they are not playable.

In fact, I still want the Seleucids playable... but I also want Egypt and Parthia playable... and Pontus.
Looks like DLC is my only hope, then.

[Braak]

In fact, I still want the Seleucids playable... but I also want Egypt and Parthia playable... and Pontus.
Looks like DLC is my only hope, then.

If they are playable, ill be happy to play with them. In Rome I they where my favourite faction.
But those fanatic threads are really annoying and if they are not playable ill be fine and think of those guys that think day and night how important and unique Seleucids are.

[sleepyx732]

Honestly I don't know what all this ridiculous talk about the Seleucids is about. If the next two playable factions aren't an Iberian tribe and Scythia I'm gonna flip the out..

[Grimbold]

Honestly I don't know what all this ridiculous talk about the Seleucids is about. If the next two playable factions aren't an Iberian tribe and Scythia I'm gonna flip the out..

Then you are gonna flip the out.


On topic: Nubian and Libyan mercenaries.

[Holger Danske]

Honestly I don't know what all this ridiculous talk about the Seleucids is about. If the next two playable factions aren't an Iberian tribe and Scythia I'm gonna flip the out..

Dont worry. CA will have a dozen Day One DLC's ready for you when Rome II ships...

[roarer]

Can someone stay on topic and give some couter - argument (of the OP) ?

[xjlxking]

The Ptolemaics are more known. Their name? Hell, no, but more people know them and think of pharaohs, camels..etc In other words it appeals to your average person who doesn't know much about history.

[Antiochus]

The Ptolemaics are more known. Their name? Hell, no, but more people know them and think of pharaohs, camels..etc In other words it appeals to your average person who doesn't know much about history.

Yes, I think that people see Ptolemaics = Hellenistic + Ramzes style.
In history Ptolemaic natives looks like Greeks - clothes, armors. Seleucids had more unique native units.

[Grimbold]

Yes, I think that people see Ptolemaics = Hellenistic + Ramzes style.
In history Ptolemaic natives looks like Greeks - clothes, armors. Seleucids had more unique native units.

What Ptolemaic natives?!

Seleucid has native units the same way Ptolemaics have nubian or libyan units.

[Antiochus]

No. Ptolemaic natives have only Egyptian skins, faces but they used armor and clothes like Hellenistic, example Machimoi phalanx.
Seleucid natives like Persians, Syrians wore eastern clothes and armors.

[Antiochus]

Seleucids

Egypt

Why people don't like Seleucids and think that Ptolemaics will be more specific? It isn't truth.

[Sharpe]

Why people don't like Seleucids and think that Ptolemaics will be more specific? It isn't truth.

It is pretty audacious to claim any faction is more specific or unique than another. There is no absolute truth, it's down to subjectivity and interpretation.

[Prince Regent George]

It is pretty audacious to claim any faction is more specific or unique than another. There is no absolute truth, it's down to subjectivity and interpretation.

I disagree with you. Of course, Socrates' absolutism was proved to be dumb but stating that there is no absolute truth at all, is the most absolute statement. Applying this logic drives to paradoxic conclusions: e.g. Hitler was an angel because committing genocides isn't neccesairily bad! In my opinion, between cultures there are, doubtlessly, diffrences wose factors are mostly environmentals.
Also, refering to Ragin Croppy, with Seleucids you will have probably more chances to see egyptian cities by bisieging them!

[weirdoascensor]

ROUND 2
OF THE SEMIFINALS

[RagingCroppy]

Why is uniqueness judged only by units? Am I the only one who is excited to see what the Egyptian cities will look like?

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

I prefer the Ptolemaics to be more specific because their realm had allmost the same borders than the ancient Egypt Realms, they took over the old egyptian culture and combined it with the Hellenistic ones and gave Egypt a late lightining. The problem i have with the Seleucids, is that they had a large realm, but the borders were changing very fast. The ruling dynastie was Hellenistic, but they adapted local traditions in the provinces.

We should remember that the wish of CA was it to make every faction unique and with Egypt which was mentioned before by Jack, we have such a Faction. With the Seleucids we have just a large Faction, which includes several diffrent Units and Cultures from minor Factions, but they have nothing which is clearly a seleucids "nation" in the definition we would call Rome, Carthage or Egypt a Nation.

[Prince Regent George]

I prefer the Ptolemaics to be more specific because their realm had allmost the same borders than the ancient Egypt Realms, they took over the old egyptian culture and combined it with the Hellenistic ones and gave Egypt a late lightining. The problem i have with the Seleucids, is that they had a large realm, but the borders were changing very fast. The ruling dynastie was Hellenistic, but they adapted local traditions in the provinces.

We should remember that the wish of CA was it to make every faction unique and with Egypt which was mentioned before by Jack, we have such a Faction. With the Seleucids we have just a large Faction, which includes several diffrent Units and Cultures from minor Factions, but they have nothing which is clearly a seleucids "nation" in the definition we would call Rome, Carthage or Egypt a Nation.

I am afraid that you will be disappointed. Historically, the Greeks didn't co-exist with other cultures, they eliminate them, adopting only their habbits and their governmental type, not their civilization. If the game is historically accurate, the only Egyptians depicted will be some villagers south of Memphis.

[Trixie]

I am afraid that you will be disappointed. Historically, the Greeks didn't co-exist with other cultures, they eliminate them, adopting only their habbits and their governmental type, not their civilization. If the game is historically accurate, the only Egyptians depicted will be some villagers south of Memphis.

Very true. But I had read somewhere that at one point in the Syrian wars, I think the battle of Raphia Ptolemaic were having a problem with a shortage in troops and tried to make some reforms by adding native Egyptians into separate ranks. Eventually this caused unrest because they didn't want to be second class.

[KLAssurbanipal]

I prefer the Ptolemaics to be more specific because their realm had allmost the same borders than the ancient Egypt Realms, they took over the old egyptian culture and combined it with the Hellenistic ones and gave Egypt a late lightining. The problem i have with the Seleucids, is that they had a large realm, but the borders were changing very fast. The ruling dynastie was Hellenistic, but they adapted local traditions in the provinces.

We should remember that the wish of CA was it to make every faction unique and with Egypt which was mentioned before by Jack, we have such a Faction. With the Seleucids we have just a large Faction, which includes several diffrent Units and Cultures from minor Factions, but they have nothing which is clearly a seleucids "nation" in the definition we would call Rome, Carthage or Egypt a Nation.

People think about native Egyptians, but Ptolemaic Empire used natives in 2nd BC.
In 4th-3rd BC they used only Greek-Macedonian units. Ptolemies aren't a nation, it is a military faction.

[GideonAI]

Could someone tell me if they included Jews in Rome 1 vanilla? I never reached Israel (or anywhere in Asia, for that matter) until I played BI.