Ptolemaics weren't more specific faction than Seleucids

[ColtonCM]

Seleucids have a ginormous empire at the start date, ergo they won't be a playable faction.

Nice logic. /sarcasmoff

Having a large empire (one that CA can easily make struggling in terms of its economy in the beginning) with hostile neighbors in all four directions is a challenge, not an instant win faction.

You get attacked from Armenia to the north, Parthians to the east (and maybe an Indian faction in a DLC or something), Egypt to the south and from the sea, and the various Anatolian factions to the west and also from the sea.

Your most important area (the Levant) is within three-turn striking distance from either Anatolia or Egypt. Lose Antioch in the beginning of the game and you will struggle to find the funds to maintain a large enough force to repel all four borders simultaneously.

The Seleucid campaign will be a very hard and challenging campaign that differs form the other factions (start small and around a bunch of scrub rebel territories with neighbors that are also small).

[Aleron]

What makes you think that they will make Ptolemaics have a historical unit roster? They have stated that they are going for a mix of Ancient Egypt units and Ptolemaic units. So they have the ability to create a really unique roster.
From a historical point of view - sure, your point of valid.

[RagingCroppy]

What makes you think that they will make Ptolemaics have a historical unit roster? They have stated that they are going for a mix of Ancient Egypt units and Ptolemaic units. So they have the ability to create a really unique roster.
From a historical point of view - sure, your point of valid.

No they did not. They said there would be a "historical twist" which could mean anything.

[Arcani 4 Ever]

No they did not. They said there would be a "historical twist" which could mean anything.

I think the "twist" CA is planning is similar to the Empire/Republic realm divide they are planning for the Roman faction.

My idea is that i think at some point in the Ptolemaic campaign you are to choose.

Do we remain the same, under the rule of the Hellenic rulers? Or do we rebel and return to the old ways of Ramses II. It would be interesting, historically wise not so much *since the Ptolomes were pretty open to let the Egyptians worship their old gods and even let them keep their building methods and policies.* But it would be fun in game.

[RagingCroppy]

I think the "twist" CA is planning is similar to the Empire/Republic realm divide they are planning for the Roman faction.

My idea is that i think at some point in the Ptolemaic campaign you are to choose.

Do we remain the same, under the rule of the Hellenic rulers? Or do we rebel and return to the old ways of Ramses II. It would be interesting, historically wise not so much *since the Ptolomes were pretty open to let the Egyptians worship their old gods and even let them keep their building methods and policies.* But it would be fun in game.

I would vote yes on the possibility of a (playable) native Egyptian rebellion, but no on the "old ways" part.

The Egyptians did in fact rebel in this period. So that still would not be a twist. And they likely did not revert back to bronze age Egyptians. look at the "Machimoi" units in Europa Barbarorum, Rome: Total Realism, and Roma Surrectum 2. Those are Egyptian units that look unique and Egyptian without being silly throwbacks to long dead empires.

Take it from a huge fan of Ancient Egypt. As much as I like the ancient period, this is not the place for those units. We should not see them in the same way we will not be seeing Greeks wearing Corinthian helmets. (hopefully)

(Also any bronze age Egyptians would be clobbered in a Classical battlefield anyway, especially against the Seleucids. The Machimoi rebellion on the other hand managed to hold out for 20 years against their Greek masters.)

[polymathin]

True man, this is why we need Parthia as a faction. Mass horse archers ftw.

[Sharpe]

This thread has totally swayed their decision to include the Seleucids....

[Heathen Storm]

;D
Seriously though, the factions are already decided. You repeating the same thing over and over won't change CA's mind.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

didnt one of the CA employ said they had a new roster as in they are one of the 8

[MathiasOfAthens]

didnt one of the CA employ said they had a new roster as in they are one of the 8

Yes that was Lusted, referring to rumours the egyptians would be ancient old kingdom.

I am sure based on that we will get the Ptolemaic faction.

[Maleventum]

Prabably we will see Desert Axemen fighting alongside Hellenistic Pezetheroi

[oOIYvYIOo]

Antiochus, Europa Barbarum is far from being a game based on real facts,units,etc.
Seleukids and the Ptolemaioi ,are both uniques like any other people.
But if you ask me whats the most exotic ,Ptolemaioi ,no dought, is there anything more exotic than playing with the sons of the Pharaohs ?
If you ask whos the strongest in militaray aspect, Seleukids with no dought.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Except the sons of the Pharaohs didnt exist under the Hellenic regime. The ancient egyptian kingdom fell and was replaced by the Persians and then Alexander and then Ptolemy, who created a hellenic empire in egypt.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Except the sons of the Pharaohs didnt exist under the Hellenic regime. The ancient egyptian kingdom fell and was replaced by the Persians and then Alexander and then Ptolemy, who created a hellenic empire in egypt.

What ? So by your amasing logic,there aint Italy,Egypt,Turkie,France,Spain,etc because they were invaded over and over by other nations during the centuries..

[ColtonCM]

What ? So by your amasing logic,there aint Italy,Egypt,Turkie,France,Spain,etc because they were invaded over and over by other nations during the centuries..

Dude. Just stop. France, Spain, Turkey, Italy aren't even countries until several centuries later after the time period of the game.

The mainstream Egyptian image of hieroglyphs and pharaohs (pharaoh itself wasn't even used as a widespread title for the rulers of Egypt until the mid-late bronze age) is long gone by the time of Rome II. The gods are still there, but the Egyptians are speaking Greek, and the provincial leaders are Greeks/Macedonians or Hellenized Egyptians.

The first Ptolemy of Egypt didn't go and resurrect millennium-old war units in favor of modern day Greek unit rosters and tactics. He Hellenized the heck out of Egypt and trained Egyptians in the Greek style of fighting. There were no "Pharaoh's Bowmen" or "Pharaoh's Pikemen," they would have went under the Greek names.

All this trash about Egypt being like the Old Kingdom, rocking chariots and Nubian spearmen as the main force is complete and utter historical garbage. Sure, the Ptolemies raised levies of native forces, but they were in no way, shape, or form, superior to Greek units.

[petertel123]

What ? So by your amasing logic,there aint Italy,Egypt,Turkie,France,Spain,etc because they were invaded over and over by other nations during the centuries..

1 Italy no longer has a roman culture since its invasion by the barbarians
2 Egyt no longer has an ancient egyptian culture since the multiple invasions it has suffered
3 turkey no longer has a greek culture since the turkish invasion
4 France no longer has a celtic culture, it was founded by GERMANIAN conquerors
5 Spain no longer has the culture of antiquity (not sure what culture they had actually) since its numerous invasions
so yes, I think it's fair to say that foreign conquest can change a countries culture dramatically

[Kraut]

So after the Suebi are confirmed as member of the playable 8 club, the whole "We need awesome Seleucids, not stinkin Germans and who says different is nationalistic"-stuff has stopped (finally, thank god) and the crowd has turned on the Ptolemaicegyptians. Who obviously suck just as much as the Germanobarbs exclusively did before. I see.

Not sure yet whether I now should...

a) ...pray for the Seleucids to be the next revealed faction, just for this kind of threads to stop, and sacrifice a lamb or two to make sure the mighty gods share my opinion.

b) ... prepare for the ineviteable Parthia-bashing in case Egypt is revealed next, meaning that Seleucids and Parthia have to duke it out for the last remaining club 8 member ticket (note: buy beer and potato chips, enjoy the show)

c) ... create another forum account with user name "Ali Ben Jabba" and pretend to be a nationalistic Egyptian who really desperately wants Ptolemaigyptistan playable and really thinks Seleucids were and are and will be disgusting elephant-lovers, and this way trololol the beejezus outta the Seleucid supporters just for the fun.

Hard decisions to come

[tomux7]

So after the Suebi are confirmed as member of the playable 8 club, the whole "We need awesome Seleucids, not stinkin Germans and who says different is nationalistic"-stuff has stopped (finally, thank god) and the crowd has turned on the Ptolemaicegyptians. Who obviously suck just as much as the Germanobarbs exclusively did before. I see.

Not sure yet whether I now should...

a) ...pray for the Seleucids to be the next revealed faction, just for this kind of threads to stop, and sacrifice a lamb or two to make sure the mighty gods share my opinion.

b) ... prepare for the ineviteable Parthia-bashing in case Egypt is revealed next, meaning that Seleucids and Parthia have to duke it out for the last remaining club 8 member ticket (note: buy beer and potato chips, enjoy the show)

c) ... create another forum account with user name "Ali Ben Jabba" and pretend to be a nationalistic Egyptian who really desperately wants Ptolemaigyptistan playable and really thinks Seleucids were and are and will be disgusting elephant-lovers, and this way trololol the beejezus outta the Seleucid supporters just for the fun.

Hard decisions to come

Do c) variant. It could be pretty funny. Just think up a better name Ali Ben Jabba looks too mainstream.

[Kraut]

Just think up a better name Ali Ben Jabba looks too mainstream.

What about "Jabba Abu Ali"?

[Braak]

So after the Suebi are confirmed as member of the playable 8 club, the whole "We need awesome Seleucids, not stinkin Germans and who says different is nationalistic"-stuff has stopped (finally, thank god) and the crowd has turned on the Ptolemaicegyptians. Who obviously suck just as much as the Germanobarbs exclusively did before. I see.

Not sure yet whether I now should...

a) ...pray for the Seleucids to be the next revealed faction, just for this kind of threads to stop, and sacrifice a lamb or two to make sure the mighty gods share my opinion.

b) ... prepare for the ineviteable Parthia-bashing in case Egypt is revealed next, meaning that Seleucids and Parthia have to duke it out for the last remaining club 8 member ticket (note: buy beer and potato chips, enjoy the show)

c) ... create another forum account with user name "Ali Ben Jabba" and pretend to be a nationalistic Egyptian who really desperately wants Ptolemaigyptistan playable and really thinks Seleucids were and are and will be disgusting elephant-lovers, and this way trololol the beejezus outta the Seleucid supporters just for the fun.

Hard decisions to come

I´ll go with "a" more or less. But I pray that they announce the Seleucids not to be playable. As soon as possible, to stop those endless "goooo Seleucids they are sooooo unique and have more than all the other factions together" threads.
I really liked to play them in Rome I, but all those threads make me wish they are not playable.