Minor/unplayable factions - make your bets!

[ROYAL SIPHAI]

KINGDOM OF BOSPHORUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tadzreuli]

Haha, I'm sure CA has better sources than me xD They probably have hired proffesional historians

last historian from previous RTW was very dilettante, I'm sure, if not, he would never have included Colchis as Armenian province

[Math2]

I'm guessing they'll do a simpler groups of factions, ie Iberia, while not representing all the tribes there

[Engie]

Nice work nicolasete

+ rep

[HigoChumbo]

Updated the op map:




Added the following factions:

• Sarmatians
• Scythians:
  
  • Black Sea Scythians
  • Thyssagetae and Apasiacae (Caspian Sea Scythians)
  • Massagetae (north-Sogdian Scythians) (later Alans?)
• Aestii (Balts)
• Slavs/Venedae
• Pannonian Celts
• Nabateans
• Rhodes
• Crete

Right now there are around 88 factions (if i have counted well), just missing what they might add in north africa (Gaetulians/Garamantes/Lybians) and maybe something in Scandinavia. And of course whatever was not yet there at the start of the game (Armenia, Capadocia, etc).


Btw i also added the map of Rome 1 at the end of the op.

[SirFork]

Nice work, +rep

[Sherm]

I'm very curious about Thapsus and Leptis... maybe the put there this two cities as vassal of Carthage?

Is strange, but i can't imagine other choiche, so if you want add other two faction, Thapus and Leptis.

[HigoChumbo]

I'm very curious about Thapsus and Leptis... maybe the put there this two cities as vassal of Carthage?

Is strange, but i can't imagine other choiche, so if you want add other two faction, Thapus and Leptis.

I thought they might give them to Numidia or maybe make a north-african faction like Lybians, Gaetulians o Garamantes.

Thapsus and Leptis would had made more sense than Tingis and Iol for Carthage i think, but they probably wanted to give Carthage a closer base of operation to invade HIspania without giving them too many provinces at the start.

[Sherm]

I thought they might give them to Numidia or maybe make a north-african faction like Lybians, Gaetulians o Garamantes.

Thapsus and Leptis would had made more sense than Tingis and Iol for Carthage i think, but they probably wanted to give Carthage a closer base of operation to invade HIspania without giving them too many provinces at the start.

Yes, and maybe also to give more space to a playble egypt, to expand without other neighboring major faction.

However, knowing the history of these two cities, Thapsus should 100% Carthaginian in theory, and Leptis can be more a "client punic city state"
Is possible that they give it to numidians, or other desert peoples, but is very incorrect.

Also, who knows if the numidians will be splitted in Massili and Massesili or will be a united faction

We will see

[spartan_warrior]

Yes, and maybe also to give more space to a playble egypt, to expand without other neighboring major faction.

However, knowing the history of these two cities, Thapsus should 100% Carthaginian in theory, and Leptis can be more a "client punic city state"
Is possible that they give it to numidians, or other desert peoples, but is very incorrect.

Also, who knows if the numidians will be splitted in Massili and Massesili or will be a united faction

We will see

Yes it is really strange that Thapsus is not indicated as being directly controlled by Carthage. To me it would have made more sense to give Thapsus to Carthage and have Tingis as a client state, the same for Leptis.

[Sherm]

Yes it is really strange that Thapsus is not indicated as being directly controlled by Carthage. To me it would have made more sense to give Thapsus to Carthage and have Tingis as a client state, the same for Leptis.

Yes, in theory have more sense give to carthage Thapsus and Leptis instead of the Mauretania coast, my theory is that they choose to "invert" that, becouse so Carthage is Projected to spain, and was not bordering or too near to Egypt.

[Murfmurf]

Brilliant work, bud! + Rep.

[HigoChumbo]

Yes but i doubt they make a new fantasy phoenician nation for no reason, specially if they want to keep the faction count low.

In any case, i believe desertification in northern africa was not as pronounced as it is today.


I know modern names are not always equivalent to the old ones, but I'm just speculating on how they might occupy in-game the provinces of Leptis and Thapsus, that, as you say, should belong to Carthage from an strictly historical point of view.

The Numidians expanded in these zones, after the second punic war. Carthage was defeated, and Massinisa allied with Rome, contolled a great numidian kingdom, from Mauretania to Leptis area.

I honestly think they will end up just giving everything to Numidia, from Mauretania to Cyrene.

[Sherm]

However, also the status of Cilicia is "?"

We not have a faction reveal today, so the mistery will continue.

[Sherm]

In my opinion also Sarmatia will be divided in various tribes like Roxolans etc..

[HigoChumbo]

Updated the map with some work in progress, there are probably a lot of mistakes (specially in Arabia):





Added:

• Colchian independent states (east of the Black Sea)
• Independent Palmyra (Arabia)
• Lyhian Kingdom (Ancient Dedanite Kingdom) (Arabia)
• Gerrha (Arabia) (I believe it was a city state but they gave it a huge region, so the looks are probably weird).
• Qedarite Kingdom (arab-semitic nomads)
• Blemmyes (Nomadic Nubians)
• Kingdom of Kush (Meroe)
• Lybian Nomads (Nassamones?)
• The approximate location of Garamantes and Gaetulians

Changed:

• Bastetani for Bastetani & Contestani

Removed:

• Nabateans (They will probably be in, occupying the region CA named Nabatea, but since they original historical territory is occupied by egypt in-game, i removed them)
• Egyptians from Cyprus (I believe the island belonged to the Ptolemies when the game starts, but CA didn't give it to them so i just changed it for a big, red question mark).

Nothing impressive, in this update most of the work has gone to adapting the old boundaries to the new spartan_warrior's map.

Feel free to give me suggestions and corrections. Specially for the regions marked with a question mark (except for those that we know what was there historically but CA changed it, like Thapsus, Ibossim and Leptis, which should belong to Carthage).

[Ariovist]

Updated the map with some work in progress, there are probably a lot of mistakes (specially in Arabia):






Added:

• Colchian independent states (east of the Black Sea)
• Independent Palmyra (Arabia)
• Lyhian Kingdom (Ancient Dedanite Kingdom) (Arabia)
• Gerrha (Arabia) (I believe it was a city state but they gave it a huge region, so the looks are probably weird).
• Qedarite Kingdom (arab-semitic nomads)
• Blemmyes (Nomadic Nubians)
• Kingdom of Kush (Meroe)
• Lybian Nomads (Nassamones?)
• The approximate location of Garamantes and Gaetulians

Changed:

• Bastetani for Bastetani & Contestani

Removed:

• Nabateans (They will probably be in, occupying the region CA named Nabatea, but since they original historical territory is occupied by egypt in-game, i removed them)
• Egyptians from Cyprus (I believe the island belonged to the Ptolemies when the game starts, but CA didn't give it to them so i just changed it for a big, red question mark).

Nothing impressive, in this update most of the work has gone to adapting the old boundaries to the new spartan_warrior's map.

Feel free to give me suggestions and corrections. Specially for the regions marked with a question mark (except for those that we know what was there historically but CA changed it, like Thapsus, Ibossim and Leptis, which should belong to Carthage).

The Marcomanni were a suebian tribe, so it makes little sense to list them additionally.

[Serkelet]

Keep your hopes high. Having announced that there will be 117 factions, leaves a lot of room for loads of tribes!

[bengalg3]

Arabian factions along the coast

[HigoChumbo]

Arabian factions along the coast

Yupp, i saw those maps, but they are not always accurate (for instance check the last page for 2 maps of the very same year depicting the numidians in different places).

I use them as a reference, but i always try to find some sources (for instance, i foundn othing about the scinites).



Also, take into account that I'm not trying to make an strictly accurate map, but adapting those maps to the official regions we have seen so far in the previews int he most historically accurate way i can (which is hard, since CA's placemente of factions and provinces is not always accurate for gameplay reasons).