Minor/unplayable factions - make your bets!

[spartan_warrior]

Even if we not have a map of the area actually, I say that could be in the list also Cyrene.

Yes, and its probable that Massilia will be controlled by a Greek faction, and the same for the Bosporus.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Etruscan League.

[DaciaJC]

Talking about unplayable smaller factions makes me think of something.

How moddable will the startpos file will be at the game release?

My guess is, not very. They (CA) have said that they won't start discussing modding until production on R2 has finished, essentially.

[Lieutenant Sharpe]

Based upon some of the info from the faction reveals and the 'artistic map representations' I think for greek nonplayable factions we will see atleast Athens, Sparta, Syracusae, Rhodes, Crete, Epirus, and Pergamon.

I really hope some of them will be made playable later on...

[Cerberus119]

I'm going to guess the Brigantes.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

"Better" is not the term i would use.

But that is what CA is forced to do, somthing I has nothing agaisnt, becouse hell I cant see the different.

[Basileos Leandros I]

I'd love to see the eastern factions, like Baktria, and a lot of Germanic/Gallic tribes scattered around Central and Northern Europe.

[Rhaegar1]

To the OP,

Do you honestly expect or even want CA to spend 9 out of a total number of less then 100 factions to be postioned in Iberia? I can live with some nationalistic feelings in these kind of ideas but I hope nobody seriously thinks that this would be an idea beneficial to the overall game?

I say 3 factions in Iberia: lusitanians, celtiberians and iberians. With an additional presence of Carthaginians in the south and at the west coast perhaps the city of Sargentum in the possesion of the Massalia faction.

That's plenty

[HigoChumbo]

Talking about unplayable smaller factions makes me think of something.

Now that you say it... i assumed that since they have no faction number limit anymore they could make as many as they wanted, but didn't take into account that Rome's map will probably be a lot larger (size and province-wise) than Shogun's.

I wonder if they will optimize it so the number of factions is not a hinderance to fast turn times or if they will just reduce the ammount of factions by making the dreaded fantasy confederations (iberians, germans, gauls, etc).

So far, the fact that the briton and gallic playable factions are named by tribes (Iceni and Arveni) makes me keep the hopes high.

That map was made by myself, not super_newbie_pro.

Sorry! fixed

Do you honestly expect or even want CA to spend 9 out of a total number of less then 100 factions to be postioned in Iberia?

Why do you say there will be less than 100 factions? Give me a source.

And anyways, if you have read my entire post, you can see I said that (i fear) they might include all the iberian factions into one big confederacy, and make the Lusitanians bigger than they are by removing the Celtici. Hell.. they might even give Brigantium to the Cantabrians.

Btw, i based my predictions more on official CA sources than on actual historical maps, the main 2 factors being the province shape (for instance, CA's Baetica covers almost the exact realm of the Turdetanians) and the cities they have chosen (Arse was an edetani city, later Saguntum, Aracillum was a Cantabrian town and Numantia was an Arevaci (Celtiberian) city).

I can live with some nationalistic feelings in these kind of ideas

Mate, read my posts... trust me you can accuse me of everything before calling me a nationalist (which i hardly am...). You have seen a flag of Spain in my avatar and you have asumed i'm the usual twcenter teenager hoolingan trying to convince everybody that his country is the best in the world (which it hardly is).

You are failing to see the details, and the details are everything. For starters, my profile picture is an actual joke on my own country, and a reference to some other guy's avatar (can't remember who right now):




Not to mention i'm actually a spanish republican so that's not even the flag that is supposed to represent me...

So please, refrain from making assumptions about me by just taking a quick overlook at my posts. If i talk mainly about Spain it is because its the part i know better since it's my own culture, i could sit here talking about the Thracians for pages and pages and be wrong in 3 of every 4 words i wrote, so i just don't do it.

I hope nobody seriously thinks that this would be an idea beneficial to the overall game?

Why wouldn't a more correct depiction of the historical situation be beneficial? I can't think of any inconveniences for gameplay save turn-time, and they have already done something like this before (Empire and Shogun 2 both had plenty of tiny unplayable minor factions, so why not Rome2?).

I say 3 factions in Iberia: lusitanians, celtiberians and iberians. With an additional presence of Carthaginians in the south and at the west coast perhaps the city of Sargentum in the possesion of the Massalia faction.

That's plenty

And why would they include Aracilum, a cantabrian city, then? Not to mention the Cantabrian wars is one of the main events in roman Hispania.

I expect no less than 4-5 tribes (and that would already be a crime). Lusitanians, Celtiberians/Arevaci, Iberians and Cantabrians would be my minimum guess, and not including the Turdetanians would be a very bad choice in my opinion. That way you would have all the major cultural groups depicted (iberians, "late-tartessians", celts, celtiberians and aquitanians, althought the cantabrians were not aquitanian but celt, but would make do).

Btw, i fear your choices are heavily based on a more pop-culture knowledge. Those tribes you mention are famous because of military deeds (Viriathus, Numantia and their part in Hannibal's army), but you could easily say that the Turdetanians (former Tartessians) were more cultured, rich and meaningful than the rest of the hispanic tribes put together (maybe an overstatement, but you get the point). They are not so "flashy" because, in words of Livy, they were "the least warlike of all the Hispanic tribes", and they were asimilated easily by both Carthaginians and Romans (Turdetania later became the most important Roman province in Hispania, and even when the Arabs came, they settled their power mainly around Seville (roman Italica) and Cordoba (Corduba/Kartuba) and the Guadalquivir river lower basin (Betis river, for the romans, hence the name Baetica), since it was the richest and most cultured/advanced region in Spain.

And before you accuse me again, i have nothing to do with the Turdetanians, my hometown, Granada (Iliberri/Iliberis in this time, or Florentia iliberitana for the romans) would be int area of influence of the Bastetani, which were not of Tartessian heritage, and had been already under Carthaginian rule for several centuries before the romans came.

[Rhaegar1]

I really am to lazy for looking it up but it was in one of the earliest interviews. The interview was in german so I guess that's the reason why the knowledge is not that widespread.

Anyways in the interview CA stated after a bit prodding from the interviewer that there would be somewhere between 10 and 100 factions on the campaign map, but most likely a bit more then halfway between these numbers.

I assumed that this was common knowledge by now and it fits with what we've seen from the capabilities of warscape engine so far.

I based post on this knowledge

[Asgaroth]

Etruscan League.

This was already mentioned by the CA in some video preview.

[HigoChumbo]

Added this to the op.

This would be the minimun i'd be happy with, and it's already weird enough since the iberians would be a fantasy confederation and both the Lusitanians and the Cantabrians would have a lot more territory than actually belonged to them (Gallaecia for the Cantabrians and "Algarve" for the Lusitanians)

[St. Imperator]

Well, we have eight playable, and fifty non-playable...so I say the Picts are going to be non-playable.

[Sherm]

Spartan have yet done his preview map with the new provinces?

About minor faction, i'm also curious to know if the Numidians will be at start a united faction, or will be divided in Massili and Massesili

[Punic Hoplite]

I hope they split the Numidians into the two different groups that they were

[spartan_warrior]

Spartan have yet done his preview map with the new provinces?

I just got home... I should have them added shortly

[MathiasOfAthens]

I just got home... I should have them added shortly

Hurry up man and get the German provinces in.

[Emperor Domitianus]

If I recall well, they stated about 60 factions in total, so 52 non playable at the moment. We can't assume that each non playable will have 1 territory. So it will be really a surprise.

[Tadzreuli]

Lost as we are in the big, bloody seleucid-germanic war... we are paying little attention to the actual minor/unplayable/dlc factions we all know for sure that we'll see in the game. And so far... betting for the 8 major playable factions is quite straight-forward... so let's make it harder!


Looking at the current bits of the map we already have... which minor factions do you think we'll be seeing in the game?




Let me start with Hispania since it's the topic i'm researching at the moment, feel free to add more regions (or modify the ones already posted).

These are my guesses:



Some variations (that i personally hope don't happen):

• If they go the lazy/casual way, they might gather Tarraco, Arse and Carthago Nova into one big iberian confederation.
• The only faction i have given 2 provinces are the Turdetani. Maybe they split them in 2, and add the Turduli or the Bastuli.
• The opposite happens with the Lusitanians, maybe they give them 2 provinces and remove the Celtici from Ebora.
• Also, some names might change, like Arevaci instead of Celtiberian, or the Artabres instead of Gallaeci (both are smaller tribes of the bigger groups)

This would be the minimun i'd be happy with, and it's already weird enough since the iberians would be a fantasy confederation and both the Lusitanians and the Cantabrians would have a lot more territory than actually belonged to them (Gallaecia for the Cantabrians and "Algarve" for the Lusitanians)




By the way, I honestly don't know what are they going to do with Ibossim (Ibiza), its not a Carthaginian starting province, and as far as i know it has always been Phoenician... will they make it an independent punic faction? or a more native-like tribe with the famed balearic slingerS?




Btw, credits for spartan_warrior for his great preview map

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Factions suggested so far:

• Pergamon
• Pontus
• Saka
• nomadic Gauls (Galatia)
• Caledonians
• Boii
• Kingdom of Kartli
• Athens
• Sparta
• Syracusae
• Rhodes
• Crete
• Epirus
• Pergamon
• Corinth
• Thebes
• Cyrene
• Etruscan League
• Brigantes
• Picts
• Baktria
• Numidians
• Massilia
• Sarmatians

exellent ! I agree

[Sherm]

I just got home... I should have them added shortly

nice +1