LoS frustration

**woodyfly** · February 11, 2013, 09:58 PM

Bows become near useless after melee units clash. I keep getting "line of sight is blocked" even if my archers are on a hill and I'm trying to shoot at their archers. How the hell is my line of sight blocked in that situation?

**Rijul.J.Ballal** · February 11, 2013, 11:03 PM

Shoot at unengaged enemies or let them Fire at will...

**woodyfly** · February 11, 2013, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by woodyfly

Bows become near useless after melee units clash. I keep getting "line of sight is blocked" even if my archers are on a hill and I'm trying to shoot at their archers. How the hell is my line of sight blocked in that situation?

Originally Posted by rijul 2222

Shoot at unengaged enemies or let them Fire at will...

Fire at will is on. I understand I can't fire into my own troops but why can't they fire over my troops into the enemy archers way in the back? Archers feel 2000% useless.

**woodyfly** · February 12, 2013, 01:02 AM

This has to be a bug. Being on a hill is literally worse. Their archers can fire into my archers but my archers can't shoot at them while being on a hill... okay?

**woodyfly** · February 12, 2013, 03:34 AM

I think I know what's going on now. If I attack their archers when I have my archers grouped in a formation, they will choose to target some of the closer units. I have to manually click each archer unit and micro them.

**CptAustus** · February 12, 2013, 07:11 AM

Well, I have been having this problem since CA changed missile mechanics and introduced the LoS restriction (mainly because people were exploiting matchlocks). I have no idea if/how it can be fixed, but good luck to you.

**woodyfly** · February 12, 2013, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by CptAustus

Well, I have been having this problem since CA changed missile mechanics and introduced the LoS restriction (mainly because people were exploiting matchlocks). I have no idea if/how it can be fixed, but good luck to you.

My favorite part about the shogun series was archers. Looks like I'll just have to spam melee

**Father Ribs** · February 14, 2013, 03:55 AM

I get annoyed on FOTS sieges where you can wheel cannon up a hill that overlooks the castle walls, but you can only fire manually. Surprised they didn't have any mortars for sieges.

**woodyfly** · February 14, 2013, 04:43 AM

Is LoS better in FOTS? I'm playing vanilla shogun atm with darthmod.

**TheCrazyCat** · February 14, 2013, 07:00 AM

ya know, you can bypass the LoS depending on how yours bows are positioned on a hill as well as how your meat shield is too.

**DeliCiousTZM** · February 14, 2013, 08:49 AM

You need to manually switch targets, if you have a line like this ______________ Use the archers in the middle to fire at the units on the sides, while the archers on the side fires at the units in the middle. You typically cannot fire on the unit engaged with say a Yari in front of your archer.

**TheCrazyCat** · February 14, 2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by The-Monetary

You need to manually switch targets, if you have a line like this ______________ Use the archers in the middle to fire at the units on the sides, while the archers on the side fires at the units in the middle. You typically cannot fire on the unit engaged with say a Yari in front of your archer.

back then, prepatch archers would actually arch their shots over their meat shields

**DeliCiousTZM** · February 14, 2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheCrazyCat

back then, prepatch archers would actually arch their shots over their meat shields

And they still do, they just cant fire 10 meters infront of them and over the meatshields. You need to fire from the side that way the arrows can slink in. If the enemy is coming from a distance they fire over with no problem.

**TheCrazyCat** · February 14, 2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by The-Monetary

And they still do, they just cant fire 10 meters infront of them and over the meatshields. You need to fire from the side that way the arrows can slink in. If the enemy is coming from a distance they fire over with no problem.

they still cant fire in an arc over the meatshield unit, even if they are at their max range on flat surface but if they were on the incline of a hill, then thats a different story.

**DeliCiousTZM** · February 14, 2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheCrazyCat

they still cant fire in an arc over the meatshield unit, even if they are at their max range on flat surface but if they were on the incline of a hill, then thats a different story.

They fire behind meatshield just fine. It all depends on the angle tho. if it makes sense ballistic wise odds are the game will recognize it.