A map

[Raglan]

As it was made for more or less this time, i thought i'd resurrect an old map i made. Its a big image!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Dead Sun]

Very nice!

Will this be used to distribute lands?

[Ace_General]

Put me under control of Rouen on the big board

[Dirty Chai]

You're only a baron Ace, not a count.

[René Artois]

We don't have counts in England. Having a county doesn't make you a count/you don't need to be one (or the english equivalent) to have a county, and vice versa.

[Gandalfus]

We don't have counts in England. Having a county doesn't make you a count/you don't need to be one (or the english equivalent) to have a county, and vice versa.

Give me proof of this, and I'll be obliged to give you that.

[René Artois]

Give me proof of this, and I'll be obliged to give you that.

My proof of their not being English counts lies in the fact that there never have been any.

[Gandalfus]

Count = earl. A count or earl had an official county which the majority of their feudal estates were located.

[René Artois]

English equivalent of a count, yes. But not interchangeable words.

[Dirty Chai]

It doesn't matter, as Ace is in Normandy anyhow.

My point stays, Rene.

[René Artois]

What point was that exactly?

[Dirty Chai]

I was pointing out that Ace does not control that province, as he posted.

[Gandalfus]

What point was that exactly?

What kind of a response is this, exactly?

[René Artois]

The king made him baron of Rouen. Surely that means he does? As has been said, just the castle without land would be silly.

[Dirty Chai]

Of course there's land around the holding, but a baron does not control a whole province.

If he did, he would be called a Count or Earl.

[Mors Vigilia]

For the purpose of the game, a player Baron within a county is tenant-in-chief of that county.

[René Artois]

For the purpose of the game, a player Baron within a county is tenant-in-chief of that county.

Isn't that what all nobles are of all the lands they own?

When I was first made baron I was given 2 counties then 2 more when I was made an earl.

Needing to be an Earl to own a county has never been a rule. Ever.

[René Artois]

Why would he? That's never been a rule, in real life or in game. It would make sense yes, and within French lands the holdings of a count would be called a county, yes, but this is not that.

[Gandalfus]

What happened to historical authenticity? Oh right, yeah, only when it suits.

[René Artois]

What happened to historical authenticity? Oh right, yeah, only when it suits.

Okay then, let's see your historical proof that you had to be an Earl in 1100 in England to own a county.