Almughavars carry... 20 javelins? Or 8?

[Maklodes]

I just tried something that perplexes me.

I just tried a custom battle where Spanish and Portuguese almughavars with upgraded armor faced each other. I just had them throw their javelins at each other. I counted something like 20 volleys from my Almughavars (Spanish) before they ran out (it was about 20 seconds between volleys, so the whole affair took over 6 minute). Am I missing something? They were dying a lot -- were the living almughavars looting spare javelins from their slain compatriots, extending their javelin supply? Or is there something overriding the "javelinmen have 8 javelins" thing. Jinetes seem to have 8, as they normally do.

[Gato The Great]

Ammo doesn't die or get lost with the death of the soldeirs

[Silverheart]

You could basically say that your remaining men "loot" the remaining ammo of their fallen comrades.
A unit of missile troops always have a fixed amount of missiles rather than a fixed amount of volleys, and if the unit loses some of its men, the remaining ammo is shared evenly among the survivors. If you were to wear down a unit of Jinetes down to just one guy, that guy woud carry all the javelins in his unit with him.

[shikaka]

Do all of the javeliners fire in each volley?

[Maklodes]

Thanks. I didn't know about unit-level munitions tracking. I suppose it makes sense though.

[Highlander of Scotland]

yeah i guess it does make sense unless your guy is the one stuck behind the rock or fighting an invisible enemy, hated when that happened with my spartans in rtw

[Sitalkes]

I think javelinmen in two ranks will cause more damage than javelinmen in four ranks. I do wonder sometimes if they have much effect, though, as Turkish javelinmen firing at armoured targets often cause less than 10 casualties for the entire battle despite doing a lot of shooting. I was wondering if their main effect was on morale or if they are shooting into a melee is the damage caused added to that caused by the troops fighting so the latter get the kills scored at the end of the battle?

[lolIsuck]

Javelinmen have a higher missile damage than crossbowmen, I don't know wether they have AP in vanilla but they should be rather devastating, even without it.

[Aeratus]

Sadly, javelinmen don't have a higher base missile damage than crossbowmen.

Adventurier has a missile damage of 14.

Almughavars, which is the strongest javelin unit, only has a missile damage of 13.

[lolIsuck]

Okay but early javelinmen have a better missile damage than early crossbowmen, don't they?
I really need to play the game again.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Okay but early javelinmen have a better missile damage than early crossbowmen, don't they?
I really need to play the game again.

Do it.