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    http://todayszaman.com/news-305818-c...embership.html

    Turkey's aspirations for membership in the Russian and Chinese-led Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) might materialize as the organization moves towards admitting new members, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a special talk with Today's Zaman.

    “The SCO is working on improving the administrative and financial basis for new members. The member states of the SCO will meet and make a decision together on the applications proposed by states that are interested in joining,” said a senior Chinese official on Friday.
    In addition, he said the SCO observes the principle of openness and values the partnership with observer countries, including Turkey as a dialogue partner, adding that “the SCO is mapping out detailed cooperative measures.”
    The Chinese government's statement came after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announced in a TV interview last week that Turkey might seek membership in the SCO, given the stalled negotiations with the European Union that Turkey has struggled for 40 years to join.
    "I recently said to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin: ‘Take us into the Shanghai Five. Take us and we will say goodbye to the EU.' What's the point of stalling?” Erdoğan said, referring to the SCO by its previous name.
    There has been no official statement on the issue from the Russian government.
    Acknowledging for the first time in public Erdoğan's comment that “the SCO is much better than the EU,” which led to a wide range of debate and discussion, Chinese analysts say Ankara's decision to move toward the SCO matches the actual development and power of Turkey in the region. That is, Turkey can choose to go for the SCO or for the EU.
    “Since the EU has not accepted Turkey, Turkey can search for a new way. Strengthening the relationship with the SCO will help Turkey to realize its strategic goal for 2023,” Professor Wang Lincong, director of the international relations division of the Institute of West Asian and African Studies and secretary-general of the Gulf Research Center, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), said in an interview with Today's Zaman.
    In 2023 Turkey will mark the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the Turkish Republic. It is also a critical date that Turks have set to achieve their strategic mission for a competitive economy, a proactive foreign policy and becoming a regional energy hub, all of which will affect Turkey's role in the world.
    According to Lincong, the EU has shown by its treatment of Turkey's bid for membership that it still cannot get beyond its narrow, exclusive and inward-looking characteristics and does not realize the importance of the acceptance of Turkey.
    “Given the deep financial crisis in Europe, the members of the EU should know that they need Turkey much more; it is a chance for the development of the EU,” Lincong said.
    Commenting on the importance Turkey attaches to the SCO with its recent announcement, Lincong said that for the past 10 years, Turkey has become more open and pays more attention to the East under its policy of balanced diplomacy, adding, “Turkey's eastward-oriented strategy has created broad prospects for the development of the country.”
    The SCO is an intergovernmental security organization composed of six member countries: China, Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, and which some say also has a strategic goal of ending the global hegemony of the US, Turkey's NATO ally.
    Turkey officially applied to the SCO for “dialogue partnership status" in March 2011, which was approved at the Council of Heads of State Summit in Beijing a few months later. Now, Turkey is waiting for the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the SCO and Turkey as the third “dialogue partner,” following Belarus and Sri Lanka.
    So, what is happening? What do you think this move will effect EU and NATO reliationships with Turkey?
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    Looks like a spot of bluffing to me from Erdogan, in an attempt to scare the EU into being a bit more compliant towards future Turkish membership, or to fast forward the process a little. This has caught me by surprise though considering that Turkey has found itself opposed to Russia and China in regards to Syria and Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus Pasha View Post
    Looks like a spot of bluffing to me from Erdogan, in an attempt to scare the EU. This has caught me by surprise though considering that Turkey has found itself opposed to Russia and China in regards to Syria and Iran.
    Its a fact that current government moved its head to east, people also no more cares about EU membership as its look like they're mocking with us.
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    If it is a bluff, it will not cause EU to accept Turkey tomorrow. Heck, it is a fact that EU will never allow Turkish membership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    If it is a bluff, it will not cause EU to accept Turkey tomorrow. Heck, it is a fact that EU will never allow Turkish membership.
    I would argue that many EU nationals would envy Turkey's position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I would argue that many EU nationals would envy Turkey's position.
    Indeed, and they can cecede if they want, if they ever manage to get enough power in their government.
    But so far, the only country that is economically stable enough and has the highest Euro-sceptical backing would be the UK, who never really were into the EU-game
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I would argue that many EU nationals would envy Turkey's position.
    Really? Because a smaller economy grows faster than a big one?

    ugh, peoples understandings of these things...
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I would argue that many EU nationals would envy Turkey's position.
    That is not enough to break prejudices, as an example look the post above yours.
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    Ofcourse they won't but then again Turkey should not even want to join.

    Let's face it Turkish people are beyond ultranationalistic, they would never accept acts being passed by a bunch of foreigners, who can overrule the Turkish representatives as that is how the EU works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treize View Post
    Ofcourse they won't but then again Turkey should not even want to join.

    Let's face it Turkish people are beyond ultranationalistic, they would never accept acts being passed by a bunch of foreigners, who can overrule the Turkish representatives as that is how the EU works.
    Nevermind to mine reminding that a few years ago majority of Turkish public was eager to EU, but they are now not because the blocks some European countries raised *cough* Sarkozy, Merkel *cough* Southern Cyprus *cough* Austria *cough*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Nevermind to mine reminding that a few years ago majority of Turkish public was eager to EU, but they are now not because the blocks some European countries raised *cough* Sarkozy, Merkel *cough* Southern Cyprus *cough* Austria *cough*.
    Funny that everyone in the EU becomes more Eurospectic than Nigel Farrage when confronted by the idea of Turkey getting 25 of the EU Parliament seats.
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    They saw huge bags of cash and open borders. The reality is that the EU member states have ceded most of their government competences to Brussels. And the EU now votes by (qualified) majority and states have no veto anymore.

    Turkish people with their rather idiotic Türkiye Birrrrr mentality won't like that. Neither do I.

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    And ofcourse nobody in Europe is waiting for a wave of immigration possible numbering in the millions.
    Let's just say that the last time we decided to import millions of Eastern-Anatolian villagers wasn't really a succes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treize View Post
    They saw huge bags of cash and open borders. The reality is that the EU member states have ceded most of their government competences to Brussels. And the EU now votes by (qualified) majority and states have no veto anymore.

    Turkish people with their rather idiotic Türkiye Birrrrr mentality won't like that. Neither do I.

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    And ofcourse nobody in Europe is waiting for a wave of immigration possible numbering in the millions.
    Let's just say that the last time we decided to import millions of Eastern-Anatolian villagers wasn't really a succes.
    Google translate ? they would say "Tam Bağımsız Türkiye-Fully independent Turkey"

    I would not say there would a migration of millions btw, these times gone, instead of continuous migrations, those who migrated before slowly returns to homeland because things goes better here, immigrants in that case would be people who goes after career or education, and same ones with before in lesser degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Google translate ? they would say "Tam Bağımsız Türkiye-Fully independent Turkey"

    I would not say there would a migration of millions btw, these times gone, instead of continuous migrations, those who migrated before slowly returns to homeland because things goes better here, immigrants in that case would be people who goes after career or education, and same ones with before in lesser degree.
    Really how many are those? I know there is a small wave of maybe a couple of thousands highly western (free)educated that work for telecom companies and the like in Istanbul, but thats hardly comparing or telling that "Turkey does better these days". Laughable...

    In my neigberhood alone live close to 100k turks and none of them will go get a trendy job in trendy Istanbul.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Turkey is not even European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treize View Post
    Turkey is not even European.

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    appareantly, due to that tiny spec of land across the Hellespont, they are

    but it's a very close call, e.g. the common wiki page defining 'europe'
    some maps include Turkey, some don't
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    Definition of Europe is depends on politics appearently.

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    More of a cultural thing really, hench Cyprus can be considered European.
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    geography/culture/poltics(/economics)

    take your pick
    it's what the lobbyists on both sides do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treize View Post
    And ofcourse nobody in Europe is waiting for a wave of immigration possible numbering in the millions.
    Let's just say that the last time we decided to import millions of Eastern-Anatolian villagers wasn't really a succes.
    Is the Turkey 1970s same as Turkey of 2010s? European membership doesn't mean automatic free movement of people anyways. Why would millions of Turks move to European states today?


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    More of a cultural thing really, hench Cyprus can be considered European.
    What makes Southern Cyprus European that Turkey doesn't have?
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