THE autonomus medieval faction

[Eidgeniesser]

Probably a much too late suggestion, but non the less: Swiss confederacy.

In most games the swiss dont appear (Empire shows a huge forest), because 1. they were historically relatively irrelevant and 2. their becoming a "faction" dured for about the whole middle-ages.

Summary of swiss medieval history
HolyRE: declaration of indep. (or something of that sort) 1291 and following war, war against expanionist burgundy in the 15th century ->killed the king-> no more burgundy, and last but not least the conquering of Milano during a war against the French in the 16th century.

These were just sort of the historical highlights. However between 1291 and 1648 there was a certain polical tension between the HRE and the Swiss confederacy, which of all regions you have listed up would make the swiss meet the conditions of an autonomous region by games definition the best.

It would also provide a extra challenge to secure the alp passes for the HRE. And by presenting us so many differnt factions you are allmost responsible to bring in the swiss as a faction, if not playable.

For the end thanks to the developper team for the great mod and for being patient with and open for suggestion,

A swiss guy of course

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

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and now for your arguments why they should be around in the year 1100 and why they should be chosen over muslim/orthodox factions since there's a faction limit?

[Dahoota]

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and now for your arguments why they should be around in the year 1100 and why they should be chosen over muslim/orthodox factions since there's a faction limit?

My understanding was not that there were still faction slots left, but the issue was instead that the EDU was full.

Would the Swiss really have any unique units during this period? Excuse my potential massive ignorance on the subject, but from what little I know their roster would be almost entirely a composite of from the rosters of the factions surrounding them with a predominantly Germanic influence.

The impression I've been under is that the primary reason those Muslim and Orthodox factions people having been clamouring for haven't been added is that they would need unique rosters and there is simply no space in the EDU. Would it really be that hard to add this faction given the above?

THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, in game-play terms I really don't think the game needs another faction in that already crowded part of the map. Also, if the faction is never really supposed to expand then perhaps they are best represented by a strong rebel region.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

My understanding was that there were still factions slot left, but the issue was instead the EDU was full.

The EDU might be full, but there are quite a few useless units that can be scrapped, like spearmen and spear militia which both are almost the same except one is early proffesional from castles and one is militia from cities. Their main differences are that militia is a bit weaker in defence and attack, is free upkeep in cities(the castle version has to be paid even when stationed in castles) and the militia is lover morale in non siege battles.

Also, check this thread http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=578607

[Andytheplatypus]

I think the swiss should be added to a late campaign. Talk to ichon

[Rushwithoutmercy]

Remove Late Campaign Cumans and add the Swiss. Central Europe needs a state to block and/or hinder German expansion. If the HRE builds up steam, they'll take most of Italy and large tracts of France.

The Swiss would need to have a decent army to start with, though.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Remove Late Campaign Cumans and add the Swiss. Central Europe needs a state to block and/or hinder German expansion. If the HRE builds up steam, they'll take most of Italy and large tracts of France.

The Swiss would need to have a decent army to start with, though.

the think is that HRE is most of the time stomped on by all the other factions around it and dies at turn 75 usualy.

[Dahoota]

the think is that HRE is most of the time stomped on by all the other factions around it and dies at turn 75 usualy.

Same here. I've never really seen the HRE prosper - they usually end up being at war with most, if not all, of their neighbors and collapse in fairly short order.

[Rushwithoutmercy]

the think is that HRE is most of the time stomped on by all the other factions around it and dies at turn 75 usualy.

Stomped by? You had better be specific, seeing as how using France or Venice as examples strengthens the case for a Swiss Confederation. Either way, the Cumans should go from the late game for something else. Besides, the entire faction is basically an unfinished mess anyway.

[King of the Ring]

Stomped by? You had better be specific, seeing as how using France or Venice as examples strengthens the case for a Swiss Confederation. Either way, the Cumans should go from the late game for something else. Besides, the entire faction is basically an unfinished mess anyway.

cumans?

[King of the Ring]

Probably a much too late suggestion, but non the less: Swiss confederacy.

In most games the swiss dont appear (Empire shows a huge forest), because 1. they were historically relatively irrelevant and 2. their becoming a "faction" dured for about the whole middle-ages.

Summary of swiss medieval history
HolyRE: declaration of indep. (or something of that sort) 1291 and following war, war against expanionist burgundy in the 15th century ->killed the king-> no more burgundy, and last but not least the conquering of Milano during a war against the French in the 16th century.

These were just sort of the historical highlights. However between 1291 and 1648 there was a certain polical tension between the HRE and the Swiss confederacy, which of all regions you have listed up would make the swiss meet the conditions of an autonomous region by games definition the best.

It would also provide a extra challenge to secure the alp passes for the HRE. And by presenting us so many differnt factions you are allmost responsible to bring in the swiss as a faction, if not playable.

For the end thanks to the developper team for the great mod and for being patient with and open for suggestion,

A swiss guy of course

how it's swiss unimportant? do you know the Habsburg House ?

[Captain W. Handberg]

how it's swiss unimportant? do you know the Habsburg House ?

Don't forget Toblerone!

[Lazy]

Adding the swiss? NO WAY!
Why? Because Faction slots and units are limited and there will be exactly NO fun improvement by adding a faction into an already crowded area!

Removing Cumans... you ever looked at the map?
If you remove the Cumans there will be an huge empty spot and playing eastern factions will get boring as there will be no enemies.

[irony]The only reason for adding the swiss would be to create a place where are the money lost by corruption would be horded [/irony]

I would defenitly vote for improving/adding more islamic factions!

[Andytheplatypus]

Adding the swiss? NO WAY!
Why? Because Faction slots and units are limited and there will be exactly NO fun improvement by adding a faction into an already crowded area!

Removing Cumans... you ever looked at the map?
If you remove the Cumans there will be an huge empty spot and playing eastern factions will get boring as there will be no enemies.

[irony]The only reason for adding the swiss would be to create a place where are the money lost by corruption would be horded [/irony]

I would defenitly vote for improving/adding more islamic factions!

Op was suggesting that the swiss are added to a LATE campaign. So the cumans and a few other islamic factions wouldnt exist at that time period anyway.

By the way your not using irony correctly.

[k/t]

"and now for your arguments why they should be around in the year 1100"

Funny how most people (probably Swiss themselves) skipped right over that and proceeded to discuss faction and unit limits for the 3000th time. The Swiss should be in a 1390 campaign, and they will be in War Of The West. They won't make it into SS because there's simply no space and there are more important factions in that period that have to be put in.

You know what faction should be in, though? IRELAND!

Or Wales!

Or Britanny!

Because forum members are from there!

The Habsburgs moved to Austria early on.