Unlikely Alliance

[Incredible Bulk]

Hey guys have you ever made an alliance while playing your game and just dominated with them.
I made an unlikely alliance I begun a new game with Spain but quickly made peace with Egyp (Islam nation) I even gave them some money and form an alliance with them. I sacked 4 rebel settlements and I gave Egypt one. They got attacked by Portugal and I went to their aid, of course
Pope got
Pissed. I did help sacked one Portugal settlement and gave it to Egypt. By now they love me. Spain went to war with France and asked for aid from egypt it took
Some
Money but between us we killed France so by turn 92 France was done with and we divided the settlements between us, they sacked some I
Sacked some. And unlikely alliance but it worked and we kicked some Portuguese and French butt.

Have you guys have any cool examples of alliance that worked for you both likely and unlikely or maybe it an alliance between 3 or 4 factions?
It does not have to be vanilla it could be any mod for example maybe you were playing TATW and as Gandor you and Mordor allied and dominated.

I'm also playing Thera mod but I'm not 100% who are natural enemies yet but once I do I will realized if I made an unlikely alliance in that mod.

[Silverheart]

In one campaign as Russia I managed to establish a whole network of some 8-10 alliances (with a combination of strong - but not "supreme" - military power and great reputation, which made all of them unwilling to break the alliances), which in turn caused several of my allies to ally with each other, and ushered in an era of world peace (almost, with the expception of the Turks and Byzantines) that lasted almost 15 turns. Everyone was allied to everyone, so no one wanted to declare war for fear of dragging in so many other factions.
Then, eventually, there was of course a single declaration of war which forced me to intervene, and all of Europe was plunged into a destructive war with massive participation (on account of everyone having built up such strong economies that they could afford full armies of high-quality troops).
It was quite interesting, to say the least ^::^

[Incredible Bulk]

In one campaign as Russia I managed to establish a whole network of some 8-10 alliances (with a combination of strong - but not "supreme" - military power and great reputation, which made all of them unwilling to break the alliances), which in turn caused several of my allies to ally with each other, and ushered in an era of world peace (almost, with the expception of the Turks and Byzantines) that lasted almost 15 turns. Everyone was allied to everyone, so no one wanted to declare war for fear of dragging in so many other factions.
Then, eventually, there was of course a single declaration of war which forced me to intervene, and all of Europe was plunged into a destructive war with massive participation (on account of everyone having built up such strong economies that they could afford full armies of high-quality troops).
It was quite interesting, to say the least ^::^

Ah with man, peace in short live

[Savoyard]

An Unholy Alliance.

[Kaiser Nonsense]

Hey guys have you ever made an alliance while playing your game and just dominated with them.
I made an unlikely alliance I begun a new game with Spain but quickly made peace with Egyp (Islam nation) I even gave them some money and form an alliance with them. I sacked 4 rebel settlements and I gave Egypt one. They got attacked by Portugal and I went to their aid, of course
Pope got
Pissed. I did help sacked one Portugal settlement and gave it to Egypt. By now they love me. Spain went to war with France and asked for aid from egypt it took
Some
Money but between us we killed France so by turn 92 France was done with and we divided the settlements between us, they sacked some I
Sacked some. And unlikely alliance but it worked and we kicked some Portuguese and French butt.

Have you guys have any cool examples of alliance that worked for you both likely and unlikely or maybe it an alliance between 3 or 4 factions?
It does not have to be vanilla it could be any mod for example maybe you were playing TATW and as Gandor you and Mordor allied and dominated.

I'm also playing Thera mod but I'm not 100% who are natural enemies yet but once I do I will realized if I made an unlikely alliance in that mod.

Enjoy while it lasts, soon enough a huge stack will be passing by a weaker settlement of yours and Betrayal scroll will appear in your next turn. Unless you cheat and move their stack back to east of Jerusalem or something.

As for lasting alliances that worked, on SS that is more balanced and the AI doesn't betray you simply because it's easy to do so (weak settlement-huge stack), Crusader States (me) and Papal States. I was also allied to France, but they were not much helpful.

[Incredible Bulk]

Enjoy while it lasts, soon enough a huge stack will be passing by a weaker settlement of yours and Betrayal scroll will appear in your next turn. Unless you cheat and move their stack back to east of Jerusalem or something.

What do mean by cheat? How would I
So that?

[Kaiser Nonsense]

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[Comrade Roboto]

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Alright men! Only 10 more km to Paris and then... *flash* what the hell?! Damn it! Not again!

[Maklodes]

Well, in the Dark Ages, the Carolingians (analogous to France? HRE? in M2TW) were allied to the Abbasids (Analogous to Egypt? Although their core territories were more Mesopotamian, maybe.), against the Moors of the Cordoba Caliphate, which was a sort of Umayyad rump state, IIRC. A Spanish-Egyptian alliance against the Moors or Portuguese doesn't seem too outlandish to me. (Also, not a Muslim-Christian alliance, but I think the Venetians and Mongols were allies? The Venetians were like "so, if you run across any Genoese or Pisan trading outposts, make sure you destroy them, but leave ours alone. If you need transportation around the Mediterranean in the future, you know who to call.")

I read once that in RTW, someone managed to ally with the rebels. There was a rebel diplomat, probably a remnant from some destroyed faction, and somehow he managed to get an alliance (or maybe just peace) with the rebels.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

I read once that in RTW, someone managed to ally with the rebels. There was a rebel diplomat, probably a remnant from some destroyed faction, and somehow he managed to get an alliance (or maybe just peace) with the rebels.

That used to happen often to me in vanilla RTW, they would offer peace but i would always decline it.

[Kaiser Nonsense]

That used to happen often to me in vanilla RTW, they would offer peace but i would always decline it.

Why would you?? I'd want that so much, it would cease the devastation those stupid spawning armies create!

[Comrade Roboto]

Why would you?? I'd want that so much, it would cease the devastation those stupid spawning armies create!

I guess he denied it for roleplay purposes. Making peace with all rebels all over the world isn't exactly realistic and a diplomat who speaks for all of them is impossible too.

[lolIsuck]

I always form alliance blocks, my most common one is Poland, Denmark, France, Venice. I don't think the HRE likes me a lot for that but I've seen very interesting campaigns this way.

[Incredible Bulk]

I always form alliance blocks, my most common one is Poland, Denmark, France, Venice. I don't think the HRE likes me a lot for that but I've seen very interesting campaigns this way.

Just like the communist block, that's pretty cool concept

[Kaiser Nonsense]

Just like the communist block, that's pretty cool concept

Since when does France, Venice, Denmark are part of the communist bloc?

[Incredible Bulk]

Since when does France, Venice, Denmark are part of the communist bloc?

They not i just said compared his bloc to another bloc that had a lot of influence, land, Forces and power

[Lord Jake]

I think it is somewhat risky to form larger group alliances, especially with factions neighboring each other. It is highly unlikely that they will not end up going to war with one another at some point (usually sooner than later) and then your relations and reputation take a hit when you have to choose between them. I usually form an alliance with just one neighbor, and then any other alliances are with factions that are unlikely to go to war with one another.

[lolIsuck]

I think it is somewhat risky to form larger group alliances, especially with factions neighboring each other. It is highly unlikely that they will not end up going to war with one another at some point (usually sooner than later) and then your relations and reputation take a hit when you have to choose between them. I usually form an alliance with just one neighbor, and then any other alliances are with factions that are unlikely to go to war with one another.

The factions I make alliances with are mostly not direct neigbours of eachother and are likely to have the same enemies in early game, making it rather secure. You have to pick a faction that's not directly bordering you (except if you're next to the Pope, always make friends with the pope) but the faction that's bordering your neigbour and likely enemy.

[UndrState]

I read a lot of people on the forums say that HRE-Hungary relations are frequently bad, but in my many games as HRE I always make Hungary an alliance priority. Somewhere between a marriage alliance, boxing them out of the West, fighting Venice/Byzantines and keeping them well bribed keeps them happy. Forts along their borders helps keep out the wandering units that are likely to trigger those irrational betrayals, but even when they do betray I can usally spank them and then convince them to re-ally. Does that count as a unnatural alliance?

Oh, and I'm always allied with the Pope, LOL, (bribe, bribe, bribe) 'cause being on his bad side is just not worth it.

[Duncan III]

No matter how much money 'his holiness' has, he's always greedy for more.