Coridal and Rival Factions

[HerofTime]

Not just in say a single campaign, but has anyone notice this make a difference? Half the time I actually see the opposite of the ones I've tried.

[HTD]

These things are purely cosmetic and do not affect the gameplay in any way.

[GoldenGohma]

Well, all things considered it's difficult to make certain factions like other factions more or less besides forcing alliances.

That said, I thought earlier versions of the campaign used the "Cordial/Rival" faction list to determine starting allies - for instance, Darknuts are cordial with Gerudo and Zuna, and started allied with both. However, Zuna are cordial with Darknuts but not Gerudo, and thus didn't start allied with the Gerudo as well, even thought they WERE allied to the Darknuts.

As the campaign became even more free form, this list became less relevant, and so now there are very few forced allies and enemies, namely the Shiekah's shadow stance allying with Ordona and Hyrule, and the Rebels/Stalfos being hated by everyone.

[TheHylianJuggalo]

so, ARE the starting 'lines of power' going to be implemented in the final version, or is nobody going to have allies from the start?

[HerofTime]

The problem with Hyrule, Ordona, and the Shiekiah is that by turn 15 or so they are hitting reliable reputation, and I've noticed (at least in my games) that it makes Ordona get more alliances generally (Hyrule just seems to be obsessed with expansion so for me they are generally backstabbed a lot). Thankfully on harder difficulties this problem is solved because just a few turns in alliances and wars are being declared.

[Almost Fabulous]

It would seem logical that cordial/rival factions would be determined by a particularly high/low starting relation. Not sure if this is the case or not.

[GoldenGohma]

There is a slight problem. . . to my knowledge, you can set ALLIANCES/WARS with map triggers but not how much factions actually like each other. Being at war or in an alliance does Hurt/Help relations over time, but you can't manually set how much factions like each other, IIRC.

[Mattwensley]

But there are submods for TATW that automatically have the Captains of the West against Birmingham the Orcs and the Evil Men of the East, and make it stick like that. Don't ask me how, but doesn't that mean it is possible?

[DiddlyDark]

Ya know, I'm starting to think that Matt has something against Birmingham.

[GoldenGohma]

But there are submods for TATW that automatically have the Captains of the West against Birmingham the Orcs and the Evil Men of the East, and make it stick like that. Don't ask me how, but doesn't that mean it is possible?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't mean you can't keep allies and enemies as forced, but each individual setup like that has to be done both ways and one at a time. It's just disposition that can't be set, but that can be remedied by being an ally or an enemy for long enough.

[Mattwensley]

@Diddly
If you look at a map of Middle-Earth, it's essentially Wales. This means that Mordor is roughly Birmingham. I know people from Birmingham, and it's pretty accurate. LotR is also based fairly heavily on Welsh Mythology.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't mean you can't keep allies and enemies as forced, but each individual setup like that has to be done both ways and one at a time. It's just disposition that can't be set, but that can be remedied by being an ally or an enemy for long enough.

Ahhh, I see what you mean now. Sorry, yep, I getcha.

[kelowna]

If you look at a map of Middle-Earth, it's essentially Wales. This means that Mordor is roughly Birmingham. I know people from Birmingham, and it's pretty accurate. LotR is also based fairly heavily on Welsh Mythology.

How is the map of Middle-Earth look like Wales??? I have a map of Middle-Earth hanging in my room and I don't see it at all??

PS I know this is very off topic

[nintendo64isking]

@Diddly
If you look at a map of Middle-Earth, it's essentially Wales. This means that Mordor is roughly Birmingham. I know people from Birmingham, and it's pretty accurate. LotR is also based fairly heavily on Welsh Mythology.

Ahhh, I see what you mean now. Sorry, yep, I getcha.

Then I live just east of Sauron, cool

[Mattwensley]

Then I live just east of Sauron, cool

Ah, so you're Rhun then? You're cavalry are overpowered, and you're a pain in the neck to my starting faction, Wrexham Dale.

But anyway, this is seriously off topic now. More information can be found here, and through a Google search.

[TheHylianJuggalo]

Not sure if this belongs in the glitch thread or here, but....

Out of boredom, I was playing as Hyrule and decided to see how many alliances I could get, so I had nothing more than a defensive garrison stationed in my towns and flooded the map with diplomats.

EVERY SINGLE FACTION accepted my alliance proposals, (cept the rebels) and not one of those times did I sweeten the deal with trade rights, money, or what have you. This even happened with the river Zora, who after going to war with me due to a besiege, IMMEDIATELY agreed to a ceasefire and alliance within the same turn. Whenever two factions went to war with one another, I played middleman and by the time the game was out of turns, everybody was allies with everybody else, creating a gigantic vassalage system of all the nations. Even Stalfos and Ikana were involved. What happened next was a gigantic circlejerk of LETS ALL KILL THE REBELS!

Alliances are too easy to achieve with this build of the game.

[Encablossa]

...that sounds amazing!
I'm guessing what happened was your power was so great(alliances increase your power ranking) that no one wanted to oppose you.

[HerofTime]

The earlier you do this, the better. Early on Hyrule is seen as the dominant faction, in the beginning, because of how much land it owns. It both starts with the most land and has an AI obsessed with rapid expansion (whether it's stupid or not). Here try to start a game with a smaller faction like the Zora and check what the negotiation feeling (very generous, generous etc) is. You will see that, at the beginning, Hyrule is the hardest to ally (I'm not talking like first 25 turns i meant like first 10-15, depending on how much you are expanding. Difficulty also applies because higher difficulties = more aggressive AI expansion). However, come back in like 10 turns when you can out number them by a few settlements and the option is "generous" or somethign positive. Unlike regular M2TW I find in this mod the fairness of the word is much more accurate (except with military right almost always (giving or asking for it) and odd occassions of alliance).

[Saria's Vanguard]

One time playing as Darknuts, i just finished purging the backstabbing Gerudo and Gohma, heading east almost everything was Kokiri owned. Hyrule, Ordona, Zora, Lizalfos even the Stalfos were vassals the the all mighty children of the forest. I was amazed and frightened at the same time.

[HerofTime]

One time playing as Darknuts, i just finished purging the backstabbing Gerudo and Gohma, heading east almost everything was Kokiri owned. Hyrule, Ordona, Zora, Lizalfos even the Stalfos were vassals the the all mighty children of the forest. I was amazed and frightened at the same time.

Most likely because of barricades, AI likes to spam them. I haven't fought Labrynna in the campaign much to know if they do the same with theirs (the closest faction that I've done a campaign as to them is the Lizalfos and I mostly spread north, north-west, and east in that one).

Hit their morale and the Korkiri run like...well...scared children...but have them break out some two by fours, nails, and hammers and they are shouting "GAME ON!" at the other army . This is all despite the fact that I do know that Labrynna's freaking MAUL idiotic troops charging.

[HerofTime]

So yeah about those relations...