First Campaign lost. Need help on Vassals & Religion!

[Chromium]

Hi, guys!

I bought Shogun 2 a couple of days ago. I'd heard a lot about it (but never paid much attention to the details) and did I get a bang out of my first detailed look at it!

My first campaign as Chosokabe (Normal) nearly ended in the first turn when I charged my generals into the rebel spears Medieval2 style. (Note to self: Ashigaru are NOT Peasants!) Since, then I've been using old Rome style fighting and I coasted along as Chosokabe until I reached Realm Divide.

After my defeat, I'm focusing to winning at least one campaign- this time as Shimazu. I've read that converting will get you better tech but also piss off the other clans. The diplomacy isn't to fret over given RD but then I've learnt that post-RD vassals do not have the RD penalty.

Is there any way I can force my post-RD vassals to be Christian like Shimazu? I can stay Buddhist but I've seen that it's very easy to incite revolts with priests & really want to use cannons & that awesome Nanban trade ship that blew apart six medium bunes of mine before being captured. (That ship is worth millions! And Christian can build them at will!)

[DeliCiousTZM]

Hi, guys!

I bought Shogun 2 a couple of days ago. I'd heard a lot about it (but never paid much attention to the details) and did I get a bang out of my first detailed look at it!

My first campaign as Chosokabe (Normal) nearly ended in the first turn when I charged my generals into the rebel spears Medieval2 style. (Note to self: Ashigaru are NOT Peasants!) Since, then I've been using old Rome style fighting and I coasted along as Chosokabe until I reached Realm Divide.

After my defeat, I'm focusing to winning at least one campaign- this time as Shimazu. I've read that converting will get you better tech but also piss off the other clans. The diplomacy isn't to fret over given RD but then I've learnt that post-RD vassals do not have the RD penalty.

Is there any way I can force my post-RD vassals to be Christian like Shimazu? I can stay Buddhist but I've seen that it's very easy to incite revolts with priests & really want to use cannons & that awesome Nanban trade ship that blew apart six medium bunes of mine before being captured. (That ship is worth millions! And Christian can build them at will!)

Absorb 10% and Normal will be a breeze, check my channel for other campaigns if these dont do the trick.

[AngryTitusPullo]

You can't forced your vassal to change religion. However when your Daimyo have high honour doesn't matter if pre or post RD it doesn't matter anymore what your religion is. That is base on experience playing on Normal though. Not sure on higher difficulty.

Playing as Otomo the difficulty is only in the beginning. Once I control Kyushu other clans (even Ikko Ikki) doesn't mind me being different religion. Just make sure not to do actions that will drop Daimyo's honor like looting.

[magraev]

I would also consider charging your Daimyo into some yari after converting. That -2 honor hit is a real killer, both for diplomacy and for public order. The biggest problem there is, that you need peace to convert (all troops will be needed for garrisons), and that means there are often no non-friendly yari to get killed on. You could also load him on a boat and sail into the wide open sea I guess, or hope for pirates).

[AngryTitusPullo]

Playing as Christians it's important to build churches in every region you own as the influence will also effect neighbouring regions which makes conversion later on easier.

[eXistenZ]

converting to a christian clan is a pain in the behind. Other clans hate you, your population and generals are harder to controll. I wouldn't recommend it for first time playing. Also, chosokabe have the invisible difficulty that they can only have a limited number of trade agreements cause of the island

[zzzms]

Personally, I think the Shimazu are the easiest clan to win with, they have great access to the trading nodes, they have the blacksmiths resource with which to armour your troops and they are in a corner which means they are difficult to attack, and it is also a good position to launch attacks from. I'd leave any notions of becoming Christian until you have a grip of all the other bits of S2TW, as it does complicate matters somewhat.

[Altimis]

Hi, guys!

I bought Shogun 2 a couple of days ago. I'd heard a lot about it (but never paid much attention to the details) and did I get a bang out of my first detailed look at it!

My first campaign as Chosokabe (Normal) nearly ended in the first turn when I charged my generals into the rebel spears Medieval2 style. (Note to self: Ashigaru are NOT Peasants!) Since, then I've been using old Rome style fighting and I coasted along as Chosokabe until I reached Realm Divide.

After my defeat, I'm focusing to winning at least one campaign- this time as Shimazu. I've read that converting will get you better tech but also piss off the other clans. The diplomacy isn't to fret over given RD but then I've learnt that post-RD vassals do not have the RD penalty.

Is there any way I can force my post-RD vassals to be Christian like Shimazu? I can stay Buddhist but I've seen that it's very easy to incite revolts with priests & really want to use cannons & that awesome Nanban trade ship that blew apart six medium bunes of mine before being captured. (That ship is worth millions! And Christian can build them at will!)

Welcome to Shogun 2 dude!

there many things change from older games, first, this game very strong with rock-trissor-paper, that mean no matter how strong of your general or he is superman, he will died from facing with Yari Ashigaru. So be wary when you try to strike before you wasted them.

Second, there no population anymore, so you will fully focus on economy building such as market, sake den, mine or port, this game your income will increase from your wealth income by global supply foods [I will explains next] The more food you build from farm [and upgraded] the more faster you can get more wealth income in future. Food can be reduce by negative effect from these building such upgrade bigger castle will cost you more food, build market in the city will cost your food, so you can't just spam build market all across your provinces without plan, not only you will get problems with food soon, you will also can't produce high quality infantry later on.

About Realms divide, before you can captured Kyoto and become Shogun first, no matter what how you do care others, they will eventually declare war on you included vassals that make before you become Shogun. If you are not Shogun yet, ready to fight the whole Japan, if you successfully became Shogun, things will be different now. After you become Shogun, the new arise clan that been captured by rebel force, the new vassals you make after became Shogun [not included before you became Shogun] will no more aggressive toward you. They will bow before you as their mighty Shogun so things will get so much easier at this points.

Also, if you captured the Kyoto at the fame point about to exceed and explode before RD start. You will not instantly got declared war on you just yet. Its will take like 10-20 turns before they start war on you so this tip will be helpful if you about to face RD soon and ready to stand against whole Japan. If you make friendly with others, they will still stand with you until "Realms Divide" effect start to build up until -300 [at this point, they will hate you very very much now] so at that time... Good luck!

[O'Hea]

As the Shimazu you don't even need to convert in order to take advantage of the best part of Christianity. Just build your own Nanban Quarter (maybe in Higo), then take the Otomo's Nanban port in Bungo, and use them to spam galleons and early guns. You can control the Christianity with temples/monks or just by keeping a large garrison. No need to actually convert.

[Berossus]

I really, really recommend Oda for beginners, shimazu actually arent as easy as they might look.
You either have to turn christian, or deal with christians... both can be tough at the beginning.

Try Oda, they are a blast on any difficulty and have the most awesome intro-voiceacting in the entire game (followed closely by Takeda).

[Castel]

Why in hell anyone would want to be Christian ? Keep your original religion.

[kristoreie]

I would also consider charging your Daimyo into some yari after converting.

[Altimis]

Indeed, Oda have the best voice actor in my opinion, the sound just fluid.

and indeed, I dunno why peoples would converting to Christian at all if you are not Otomo.

Unless in game have special event that Oda Nobunaga converted.

[DeliCiousTZM]

Spread the faith to all Japan, Ignore these buddhist fools! Jesus christ our lord and savior PRAISED BE HIS NAME! Cleanse these savages through the divine fire!

[Merchant of Venice]

One awesome gift you get with Christianity( and the ikko ikko faith) is you can incite revolts. People will be like "but you can do that anywhere with a Buddhist faction" but because nearly every faction is Buddhist it is much harder. The less of your religion in the province the better. Plus if you take a rebel province it doesn't add anything to territorial expansion. Plus you get teppo earlier, nanban trade port and nanban trade ship! Although you do lose warrior monks. So do you really want to lose warrior monks?

[magraev]

Christianity is fun for a change of pace (and a better navy). One of the cool benefits is, that you get a larger bonus to chi-research. And Shimazu imo don't need warrior-monks - we have strong katana samurai.

In my current game I just converted with Shimazu - my Daimyo has 1 honor... I'm sticking with him though (I like to roleplay a bit) - have tea-ceremony almost researched.

[CptAustus]

For a new player I would recommend you not to convert. Shimazu actually have a fairly difficult start, I recommend either Oda or maybe Takeda if you have figured out how some things work in the game.