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    CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's president declared a state of emergency and curfew in three Suez Canal provinces hit hardest by a weekend wave of unrest that left more than 50 dead, using tactics of the ousted regime to get a grip on discontent over his Islamist policies and the slow pace of change.
    Angry and almost screaming, Mohammed Morsi vowed in a televised address on Sunday night that he would not hesitate to take even more action to stem the latest eruption of violence across much of the country. But at the same time, he sought to reassure Egyptians that his latest moves would not plunge the country back into authoritarianism.
    "There is no going back on freedom, democracy and the supremacy of the law," he said.
    The worst violence this weekend was in the Mediterranean coastal city of Port Said, where seven people were killed on Sunday, pushing the toll for two days of clashes to at least 44. The unrest was sparked on Saturday by a court conviction and death sentence for 21 defendants involved in a mass soccer riot in the city's main stadium on Feb. 1, 2012 that left 74 dead.
    Most of those sentenced to death were local soccer fans from Port Said, deepening a sense of persecution that Port Said's residents have felt since the stadium disaster, the worst soccer violence ever in Egypt.
    At least another 11 died on Friday elsewhere in the country during rallies marking the second anniversary of the anti-Mubarak uprising. Protesters used the occasion to renounce Morsi and his Islamic fundamentalist group, the Muslim Brotherhood, which emerged as the country's most dominant political force after Mubarak's ouster.
    The curfew and state of emergency, both in force for 30 days, affect the provinces of Port Said, Ismailiya and Suez. The curfew takes effect Monday from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. every day.
    Morsi, in office since June, also invited the nation's political forces to a dialogue starting Monday to resolve the country's latest crisis. A statement issued later by his office said that among those invited were the country's top reform leader, Nobel peace Laureate Mohammed ElBaradei, former Arab League chief Amr Moussa and Hamdeen Sabahi, a leftist politician who finished third in last year's presidential race.
    The three are leaders of the National Salvation Front, an umbrella for the main opposition parties.
    Khaled Dawoud, the Front's spokesman, said Morsi's invitation was meaningless unless he clearly states what is on the agenda. That, he added, must include amending a disputed constitution hurriedly drafted by the president's Islamist allies and rejected by the opposition.
    He also faulted the president for not acknowledging his political responsibility for the latest bout of political violence.
    "It is all too little too late," he told The Associated Press.
    In many ways, Morsi's decree and his call for a dialogue betrayed his despair in the face of wave after wave of political unrest, violence and man-made disasters that, at times, made the country look like it was about to come unglued.
    A relative unknown until his Muslim Brotherhood nominated him to run for president last year, Morsi is widely criticized for having offered no vision for the country's future after nearly 30 years of dictatorship under Mubarak and no coherent policy to tackle seemingly endless problems, from a free falling economy and deeply entrenched social injustices to surging crime and chaos on the streets.
    Reform of the judiciary and the police, hated under the old regime for brutality, are also key demands of Morsi's critics.
    Morsi did not say what he plans to do to stem the violence in other parts of the country outside those three provinces, but he did say he had instructed the police to deal "firmly and forcefully" with individuals attacking state institutions, using firearms to "terrorize" citizens or blocking roads and railway lines.
    There were also clashes Sunday in Cairo and several cities in the Nile Delta region, including the industrial city of Mahallah.
    Egypt's current crisis is the second to hit the country since November, when Morsi issued decrees, since rescinded, that gave him nearly unlimited powers and placed him above any oversight, including by the judiciary.
    The latest eruption of political violence has deepened the malaise as Morsi struggles to get a grip on enormous social and economic problems and the increasingly dangerous fault lines that divide this nation of 85 million.
    In an ominous sign, a one-time jihadist group on Sunday blamed the secular opposition for the violence and threatened to set up vigilante militias to defend the government it supports.
    Addressing a news conference, Tareq el-Zomr of the once-jihadist Gamaa Islamiya, said:
    "If security forces don't achieve security, it will be the right of the Egyptian people and we at the forefront to set up popular committees to protect private and public property and counter the aggression on innocent citizens."
    His threat was accompanied by his charge that the opposition was responsible for the deadly violence of the past few days, setting the stage for possible bloody clashes between protesters and Islamist militiamen. The opposition denies the charge.
    In Port Said on Sunday, tens of thousands of mourners poured into the streets for a mass funeral for most of the 37 people who died on Saturday. They chanted slogans against Morsi.
    "We are now dead against Morsi," said Port Said activist Amira Alfy. "We will not rest now until he goes and we will not take part in the next parliamentary elections. Port Said has risen and will not allow even a semblance of normalcy to come back," she said.
    The violence flared only a month after a prolonged crisis — punctuated by deadly violence — over the new constitution. Ten died in that round of unrest and hundreds were injured.
    In Port Said, mourners chanted "There is no God but Allah," and "Morsi is God's enemy" as the funeral procession made its way through the city after prayers for the dead at the city's Mariam Mosque. Women clad in black led the chants, which were quickly picked up by the rest of the mourners.
    There were no police or army troops in sight. But the funeral procession briefly halted after gunfire rang out. Security officials said the gunfire came from several mourners who opened fire at the Police Club next to the cemetery. Activists, however, said the gunfire first came from inside the army club, which is also close to the cemetery. Some of the mourners returned fire, which drew more shots as well as tear gas, according to witnesses. They, together with the officials, spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation in the city on the Mediterranean at the northern tip of the Suez Canal.
    A total of 630 people were injured, some of them with gunshot wounds, said Abdel-Rahman Farag, director of the city's hospitals.
    Also Sunday, army troops backed by armored vehicles staked out positions at key government facilities to protect state interests and try to restore order.
    There was also a funeral in Cairo for two policemen killed in the Port Said violence a day earlier. Several policemen grieving for their colleagues heckled Interior Minister Mohammed Ibrahim, who is in charge of the force, when he arrived for their funeral, according to witnesses.
    The angry officers screamed at the minister that he was only at the funeral for the TV cameras — a highly unusual show of dissent in Egypt, where the police force maintains military-like discipline.
    Ibrahim hurriedly left and the funeral proceeded without him, a sign that the prestige of the state and its top executives were diminishing.
    In Cairo, clashes broke out for the fourth straight day on Sunday, with protesters and police outside two landmark, Nile-side hotels near central Tahrir Square, birthplace of the 2011 uprising. Police fired tear gas while protesters pelted them with rocks.



    More than 40 are killed only in Port Said. I am wondering how this unrest will end

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    A good way to celebrate anniversary of revolution, isn't it?
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    A good way to celebrate anniversary of revolution, isn't it?
    That's not why this riot happened, that wasn't even the occasion. The conflict in Port Said came as a result of a decision to hand out death sentences to 21 people who were involved in the attack on a soccer match last year that killed some 80 people. I'm sure you and your pointless smilies were involved in that thread, talking about how it was a sure indication that the Muslim Brotherhood was intent on destroying Egypt.

    As a result people in Port Said rioted, heavy fighting broke out between them and security forces, and you discussed the results with the typical lack of background knowledge.

    Also several towns in the Delta region, as well as Port Said, have either declared their independence from Egypt (!!!) or are beginning talks on holding a vote to do so. Meanwhile Morsi is proving to be at best overwhelmed by events, at worst severely inept and underequipped to handle them, and at the same time his opposition is refusing to engage in any kind of meaningful dialogue that can get politics moving in a positive direction again, obviously with the intent to force Morsi to step down -- but in doing so they are compromising the democracy that they worked to get for two years, potentially to a fatal degree.

    So yeah, states of a emergency have a really bad history in Middle East countries and especially Egypt, but really 's getting truly crazy in Egypt and it's not just crazed Muslamic Mooslims of the Crazed Muslamic BrotherMuslihood this time.
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    Let me get this strait, 50 people died in riots protesting the sentencing of 21 people for starting a riot that killed 74 people?
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    you just have to adore arab love of football

    and let me butt in please on your conversation
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    No, you answer. I made no point, I asked an honest question, and even if I made a point, then what?

    Whats the reasons you think they are so upset? These petty reasons you believe?

    I want to get this angle.
    i think arabs love being outraged
    this stance seems to get a lot of support
    a lot of highfives

    also arabs talk all the time about the need for unity and how they never reach it
    i think the only time they felt unity was when they were together in tahrir
    so thats what they want to duplicate now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklop View Post
    Let me get this strait, 50 people died in riots protesting the sentencing of 21 people for starting a riot that killed 74 people?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    you just have to adore arab love of football

    and let me butt in please on your conversation


    i think arabs love being outraged
    this stance seems to get a lot of support
    a lot of highfives

    also arabs talk all the time about the need for unity and how they never reach it
    i think the only time they felt unity was when they were together in tahrir
    so thats what they want to duplicate now
    Now TheSuketh. This is what you get. Simplistic understanding along the lines of usual soccer hooligans or usual arab craze.

    Okay, so let me do the work once again.

    These 21 people where sentenced to death and the people here view this as a political verdict by an Islamic govt they deeply hate for a whole range of issues, going from historic allegiances to the old regimes, to the dictatorial law, to the decline of social services and coupled IMF conditions I layed out earlier. They view it all as scam and hence have no respect for the law. Big football clubs are simply a catalyst, since these are entities that combine thousands of likeminded young men that can make a larger push than the hundreds of also deadly riots and protests across Egypt going on daily.

    So why is all this death and mass protest suddenly not like the same things going on under Mubarak. Well, all you can say "democracy"(I suggest reading up on former CIA man Philip Agee and what he had to say about the national endowment for democracy and how strategically these policies fit in nicely with economic and military western interests), but from day one it was clear that the arab spring and up to the violence going on in Egypt today, have allot more to do with food prices and social justice, something the new regime isnt giving a crapper about. Same way as it was clear for years that Islamic forces would gain a majority in democratic elections. I had seen reports and read articles years prior to the overthrow of Mubarak, yet these facebook hipsters where highlighted 24/7.

    So view it all as craze if you like. Its to me more complicated, and complicated matters that enflict so much harm deserve the appropiate attention. Specially from us westerners who act so concerned with everything.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...nalty/1866025/

    There are local sensitivities in the city, located on the Mediterranean coast, said political analyst Mazen Hassan, including intense rivalry between soccer fans, economic suffering and feelings that people are deprived of the services they believe they deserve.
    "Egyptians now have minimum respect for rule of law," Hassan said. "It will be very difficult for them to accept verdicts that they see as unjust, especially when it comes to Port Said."
    Hassan said the consequences of deadly violence here are "very severe."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2...ptian_protests

    On the second anniversary of the beginning of the 2011 revolution, protests again erupted in cities across the country, following occasional skirmishes between protesters and police in Cairo the day before.[55] Tens of thousands of people gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square during the day, with clashes between police forces and protesters occurring around the city at the Interior Ministry headquarters, state media offices and the presidential palace.[55] Security forces fired tear gas at protesters trying to force their way into the presidential palace and state television offices.[56]
    In the city of Suez, five people were killed by gunfire—four protesters and one security trooper.[56] Protests also took place in Alexandria, Ismailia, Damanhur, and Port Said,[56][57][55] many of which were focused on local government buildings.[56] Tear gas use by police was reported in Alexandria, while protesters in that city and Suez burned tires.[57][56] By the end of 25 January, about 280 protesters and 55 security personnel had been injured across the country.[56]
    [edit] 26 January

    In Port Said, the sentencing to death of 21 people for their roles in the Port Said Stadium disaster sparked further unrest that resulted in 16 fatalities.[58] The number of people killed in the city was 33.[59]
    [edit] 27 January

    Egypt's government was reported to have lost control of Port Said as a result of the protests and attacks.[60] The same day seven more people died from gun shots in the clashes during the funerals for 33 people who had been killed on 26 January in the city.[61]. There were also deadly clashes in Suez and Ismailia. As a result, Morsi announced a state of emergency in Suez Canal cities (namely Ismailia, Port Said and Suez) for 30 days, with a curfew from 9:00 p.m to 6:00 a.m, effective Monday 28 January 2013.[62] Morsi also invited eleven political parties, as well as four major political leaders, to talks concerning the unrest,[63] but the leading opposition party, the National Salvation Front, refused to begin discussions until a new government was put in place and the country's constitution modified.[64]
    [edit] 28 January

    Further demonstrations and clashes took in place in eleven cities, including those in the Suez Canal, Alexandria, Monufia and Cairo.[65] The clashes resulted in six deaths.[65] Thousands of people gathered in the Tahrir Square in Cairo to show their solidarity with those killed over the weekend early in the day.[65] Police fired tear gas at protesters near the Qasr al-Nil Bridge, while further violence spread along the Nile.[66] Protesters also set fire to security vehicles and detained a police officer.[67] The Shura Council approved the President state of emergency decision as per the Constitution requirement. And to aid the police, it approved a law granting judicial seizure powers to the Army.
    A funeral procession Port Said devolved into a street battle between mourners and police, with security troops firing tear gas and live ammunition at crowds from police buildings across the city; protesters threw rocks, explosives and gas canisters back at police, and by the end of the day civilians across the city were seen carrying guns.[66] A Ministry of the Interior spokesman, however, denied that police had fired on protesters, and said that tear gas had been used only briefly.[66] By the end of the day, a total of 50 people were estimated to have died since the January protests began.[66]


    Who started OTPOR with allot money, who got Milosevic out, and OTPOR now is all up in the Arab spring. A Mursi, who everyone knowing Egypt would gain a majority, is all fine and dandy doing Islamic stuff and using anti Israel rhetoric, as long as its just rhetoric and behind the backs of the people signs the country off to the IMF and alligned banks Egypt now is obligated to take loans from with an interest far exceeding the IMF starter kid.

    This kids is how our world works.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    As a result people in Port Said rioted, heavy fighting broke out between them and security forces, and you discussed the results with the typical lack of background knowledge.
    Blah, wide spread of riots already started last Thursday, launched by opposition parties in the anniversary of revolution to against current government. The riot in Port Said was just a small part of a large chaotic situation with different aims, and President Mursi already threaten to go state of emergency even before the riot of Port Said and also offer talk with opposition parties.

    Go read more news about Egypt before accusing others not knowing what happened.

    Meanwhile, Egyptian military warns possible collapse of Egyptian state.

    Egypt army chief warns of 'state collapse' amid crisis

    Egypt's armed forces chief has warned the current political crisis "could lead to a collapse of the state".

    General Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, in comments posted on the military's Facebook page, said such a collapse could "threaten future generations".

    He made his statement following a large military deployment in three cities along the Suez Canal where a state of emergency has been declared.

    More than 50 people have died in days of protests and violence.

    In response, President Mohammed Morsi has cut short a planned European trip.

    His spokesman said he would still visit Germany on Wednesday as planned, but the two-day trip has been cut to just a few hours and a visit to France has been cancelled.

    On Monday night, thousands of people in Port Said, Ismailia and Suez - where some of the worst unrest has been - ignored a night-time curfew imposed by Mr Morsi to take to the streets.

    Thousands were again on the streets of Port Said on Tuesday for the latest funerals of those killed, with mourners calling for the downfall of the president.

    There were also saw continuing sporadic clashes in the capital, Cairo.

    Gen Sisi's lengthy statement appears to be a veiled threat to protesters and opposition forces as well as an appeal for calm and an attempt to reassure Egyptians about the role of the military, the BBC's Yolande Knell in Cairo says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Blah, wide spread of riots already started last Thursday, launched by opposition parties in the anniversary of revolution to against current government.
    In Cairo and Alexandria, something completely different from what generated these other, bloodier riots.
    The riot in Port Said was just a small part of a large chaotic situation with different aims, and President Mursi already threaten to go state of emergency even before the riot of Port Said and also offer talk with opposition parties.
    Um no, there's a specific reason why the state of emergency applied just to Port Said and two other nearby municipalities.
    Go read more news about Egypt before accusing others not knowing what happened.
    Typical childish cover. In fact I do, every day, including in the local language, which is why I have a better grasp on the facts than you do. It's why I was able to watch a live discussion between a leader of the Freedom and Justice party and an al-Nour representative about their inability to hammer out a coalition government -- which today according to a major Egyptian paper led to al-Nour making an agreement with the Liberal Wafd Party -- while you're posting old news from yesterday. You don't even read the English language articles you post. Know how I know? Because it agrees with me, not you:
    The latest violence, now in its sixth day, has been focused in Port Said.

    It was sparked by death sentences handed down by a court on 21 local football fans involved in riots that left 74 people dead at a football match in the city almost a year ago.
    Save your petty insults for people that DON'T know more than you. That's a pretty short list though, so maybe you should just try being police or keeping out entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    More than 40 are killed only in Port Said. I am wondering how this unrest will end
    Well hes not like that monster Assad. Hes doing things the right way:

    Last week, Morsi's government officially begged the IMF for a $4.9 billion loan. Egypt's Prime Minister, Hesham Qandil described the 5 year loan to be paid back with 1.1% rate as a good deal for the country.

    However, he was unable to conceal the truth and in his follow on statement, he contradicted himself and exposed one of IMF's stipulated conditions, which is to force Morsi's government to cut spending related to looking after the affairs of the Egyptian people. He said, "It is an Egyptian programme that will work on cutting and spending and adopting certain other measures."
    Fearing backlash, Qandil intentionally chose not to elaborate on the other draconian measures. It is well known that such measures include: increase in taxes, price hikes on essential items, and further loans from other institutions. All of which will make the people suffer immensely and add to their misery. In fact the Financial Times confirmed these measures. On August 22 2012, the paper stated: "The IMF wants Egypt to outline plans to reduce its budget deficit by bolstering revenues and trimming the costly public sector, including fuel and food subsidies. Egypt must also secure financing from other lending institutions as part of the loan terms."
    http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/an...ons-of-the-imf

    Unlike the monster Assad with his puny domestically held national debt.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    I told them this is ja jihadist takeover, i told them they prepear the next scripted war against those new al quaida states, i told them this was never about democracy and facebook revoluntions, i told them and they wouldn't listen even when western journalists got raped on the tahrir square.


    Maybe they should have a civil war. Libya is doing better in comparison
    Are you kidding me? They attacked the U.S. Embassy and killed the Ambassador. European countries speak out to western citizens to leave this country. Its a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raubritter View Post
    Are you kidding me? They attacked the U.S. Embassy and killed the Ambassador. European countries speak out to western citizens to leave this country. Its a nightmare.
    Oh you mean the militias? Yeah those militias have been disbanded, which was mostly due to the huge Libyan public outcry decrying the attackers.



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    Egypt opposition rejects Mohammed Morsi dialogue call

    Egypt's main opposition alliance has rejected the president's call for national dialogue as empty of content.

    Mohammed Morsi had urged opposition leaders to attend a meeting following four days of deadly violence.

    Dozens have died since Saturday, when a court sentenced 21 people to death over football riots in Port Said last year.

    A state of emergency has been declared in Port Said, Suez and Ismailia, but protesters defied a night-time curfew imposed by the authorities.

    Thousands of protesters were reported to be on the streets of the three cities, where much of the recent violence has occurred. In Suez, people marched towards the headquarters of the provincial government.

    In Port Said, one man was killed as crowds attacked police stations, medical sources said.

    Security men and soldiers were also injured.

    No curfew has been imposed in the capital Cairo, despite violence there continuing on Monday with one man killed by gunfire near Tahrir Square. State TV also said 27 people had been arrested near the US embassy.

    Earlier state news agency Mena reported another six deaths in Port Said, where funerals were held earlier for three people killed on Sunday.

    Some 590 people had been injured on Monday, most of them in Port Said, it added.

    Also on Monday, the cabinet approved a draft law allowing the army to participate in policing and have the power of arrest. The bill was later passed by the Shura Council, the upper house of parliament.

    The text of the bill says the army will "support the police in maintaining order and protecting vital installations until the end of parliamentary elections and whenever the National Defence Council [headed by Mr Morsi] requests it".

    Meanwhile, the human rights group Amnesty International condemned the use of violence by Egyptian security forces dealing with protests over the weekend, citing "disturbing eyewitness accounts of excessive force... including instances of lethal force".
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    How original.

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    I don't really see any point in the last wave of riots. They need to chill out a little.
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    Okay, so whats their troubles you think TheSuketh?
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    Okay, so whats their troubles you think TheSuketh?
    Can we skip to the part where you make your point? I don't see why I should be answering such a question.
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    Can we skip to the part where you make your point? I don't see why I should be answering such a question.
    No, you answer. I made no point, I asked an honest question, and even if I made a point, then what?

    Whats the reasons you think they are so upset? These petty reasons you believe?

    I want to get this angle.
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    No, you answer. I made no point, I asked an honest question, and even if I made a point, then what?

    Whats the reasons you think they are so upset? These petty reasons you believe?

    I want to get this angle.
    It's a strange question to ask someone that doesn't see much point in these riots. You seem to be confused about what you're trying to argue against.


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    Now TheSuketh. This is what you get. Simplistic understanding along the lines of usual soccer hooligans or usual arab craze.

    Okay, so let me do the work once again.

    These 21 people where sentenced to death and the people here view this as a political verdict by an Islamic govt they deeply hate for a whole range of issues, going from historic allegiances to the old regimes, to the dictatorial law, to the decline of social services and coupled IMF conditions I layed out earlier. They view it all as scam and hence have no respect for the law. Big football clubs are simply a catalyst, since these are entities that combine thousands of likeminded young men that can make a larger push than the hundreds of also deadly riots and protests across Egypt going on daily.

    So why is all this death and mass protest suddenly not like the same things going on under Mubarak. Well, all you can say "democracy"(I suggest reading up on former CIA man Philip Agee and what he had to say about the national endowment for democracy and how strategically these policies fit in nicely with economic and military western interests), but from day one it was clear that the arab spring and up to the violence going on in Egypt today, have allot more to do with food prices and social justice, something the new regime isnt giving a crapper about. Same way as it was clear for years that Islamic forces would gain a majority in democratic elections. I had seen reports and read articles years prior to the overthrow of Mubarak, yet these facebook hipsters where highlighted 24/7.

    So view it all as craze if you like. Its to me more complicated, and complicated matters that enflict so much harm deserve the appropiate attention. Specially from us westerners who act so concerned with everything.
    It's certainly not just craziness but they need to learn to pick their battles. Egypt is in a transition at the moment and such riots do not help their cause. They need to take one step at a time.
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    Seems the Egyptian Army are keen to bring normality back to streets, the leading figure within the Egyptian Army has warned of the danger posed to the state by prolonged disturbances,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21241753

    Egypt's army chief warns of 'state collapse' amid crisis



    Egypt's army has been deployed to cities along the Suez Canal where the violence has been at its worst


    Egypt's armed forces chief has warned the current political crisis "could lead to a collapse of the state".
    General Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, in comments posted on the military's Facebook page, said such a collapse could "threaten future generations".
    He made his statement following a large military deployment in three cities along the Suez Canal where a state of emergency has been declared.
    More than 50 people have died in days of protests and violence.
    Overnight, thousands of people in Port Said, Ismailia and Suez - where some of the worst unrest has been - ignored a night-time curfew to take to the streets.
    Gen Sisi's lengthy statement appears to be a veiled threat to protesters and opposition forces as well as an appeal for calm and an attempt to reassure Egyptians about the role of the military, the BBC's Yolande Knell in Cairo says.
    Veiled threat "The continuing conflict between political forces and their differences concerning the management of the country could lead to a collapse of the state and threaten future generations," Gen Sisi, who is also Egypt's defence minister, said.
    Egypt's army



    • 490,000 active soldiers
    • Military governed between February 2011 until June 2012
    • Gen Abdul Fattah al-Sisi (pictured above) is head of the armed forces and minister of defence
    • Military's budget not made public or scrutinised by parliament. It is overseen by National Defence Committee made up of military chiefs and cabinet members
    • US military aid to Egypt 1.3bn
    • According to some estimates army controls 40% of economy


    He said the economic, political and social challenges facing Egypt represented "a real threat to the security of Egypt and the cohesiveness of the Egyptian state".
    The military deployment along the Suez Canal was meant only to protect the key shipping route, one of Egypt's main sources of foreign revenue, and described the army as "a pillar of the state's foundations", he added.


    His comments were made in an address to army cadets which were subsequently posted on the military's official Facebook page.
    Gen Sisi was appointed by President Mohammed Morsi after the armed forces handed over power to him following his election in June.
    He replaced Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi who had been former President Hosni Mubarak's long-time defence minister and was chairman of the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf) following his fall from power in February 2011.
    Thousands continued to protest after dark in the cities of Port Said, Ismailia and Suez on Monday, in spite of the curfew and temporary state of emergency imposed in an attempt to end the unrest.

    President Morsi announced the curfews on Sunday evening

    They have been angered by death sentences handed down by a Port Said court on 21 local football fans involved in deadly riots at a football match in the city almost a year ago.
    Protesters elsewhere have been marching in opposition to Mr Morsi's authority in the wake of the Egyptian revolution's second anniversary.
    Mr Morsi, a member of the powerful Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, became Egypt's first freely-elected president in last year's election.
    Despite promising to form a government "for all Egyptians", he has been accused by the opposition of being autocratic and driving through a new constitution that does not adequately protect freedom of expression or religion.
    His recent call for national dialogue has been rejected by his political opponents.
    He had urged opposition leaders to attend a meeting on Sunday evening in an effort to calm the situation, but only Islamists already aligned with the president turned up.
    Meanwhile, protesters in cities along the Suez Canal accuse the authorities of making scapegoats of the football fans now facing death sentences.
    They say officials for security at the game between Port Said club al-Masry and Cairo club al-Ahly nearly a year ago should have been held accountable for the fact that 74 people died in violence following the match.
    It is impossible to see a situation where the army resumes control of the state?, I mean if this escalates further could we see a situation were the legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood to govern the country is questioned. I believe the economic and political realities mean if the disturbances continue (Not just the riots associated to the Football but also the acts of civil disobedience by secularists elements) its gonna become more and more impossible for Morsi to govern the country effectively, in that scenario the people may just look to the army to restore normality.

    It seems despite his majority every act Morsi attempts to bring through is opposed by ever increasing hostility, first the prolonged demonstrations over the constitutional change and now the furore over the judicial decision to execute the hooligans involved in the stadium massacre, I'd say the very nature of the democratic process has changed in Egypt, seems now the people look now more to the streets and engaging in protests as legitimate ways to bring about a change in politics instead of the ballot box.
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    Default Re: President Morsi declares a state of emergency

    As I understand the Army is, as of right now, firmly avoiding taking any side.

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