Lib Dem MP causes outrage on the eve of Holocaust Fest

[Sharpe's Company]

"Having visited Auschwitz twice - once with my family and once with local schools - I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21194991

"These comments are sickening and unacceptable and have no place in British politics." -Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust

"We are outraged and shocked at these offensive comments about Jewish victims of the Holocaust and the suggestion that Jews should have learned a lesson from the experience.

"For an MP to have made such comments on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day is even more distasteful, and we welcome the fact that the Liberal Democrats have sought to disassociate the party from David Ward's comments." -Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews


Does anyone think he's made a vaild point?

And please tell me, Surely I'm not the only one who is sick and tied of the Holocaust, I mean really, who cares about it!

[s.rwitt]

Don't see this lasting long.

[Slaytaninc]

Does anyone think he's made a vaild point?

No, because Jews are not a monolithic group. Lots of Holocaust survivors never got close to Israel, are they at fault?

This is basically close to Holocaust denial or minimalization.

[Himster]

It's a similar irony to what freed African American slaves did when they got Liberia. It's like Stockholm syndrome or something, one must be careful when one is violated by monsters to not become a monster in turn.
As to the comment itself: it is saddening how Israelis treat Palestinians, it is even more saddening given the history of the Jewish people. I don't see what's contentious.

[Slaytaninc]

As to the comment itself: it is saddening how Israelis treat Palestinians, it is even more saddening given the history of the Jewish people. I don't see what's contentious.

You seriously can't see how what he said was insensitive and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust? Hell, most of the victims of the Holocaust (I'm including the German killings in Poland and the Soviet Union) weren't even Jewish.

There are times and places to make anti-Zionist political points, and the lead up of a Holocaust commemoration is NOT the appropriate place to do so.

He had plenty of opportunities the rest of the year to condemn Israel.

[Himster]

There are times and places to make anti-Zionist political points, and the lead up of a Holocaust commemoration is NOT the appropriate place to do so.

So on this magical day Israel magically becomes immune to any and all criticism?
Seriously?

You seriously can't see how what he said was insensitive and disrespectful to the millions who died in the Holocaust?

What's really disrespectful to the millions who died at the hands of monsters is how the Israel government acts towards the Palestinians a lot of the time. Israel makes a mockery of that tragedy. Pointing out this mockery is their own fault.

[mongrel]

So on this magical day Israel magically becomes immune to any and all criticism?
Seriously?

I see your point, but honour dictates that whatever political opinion we have, it is best to leave off during days like this. After all I get offended when the Nazi BNP hijacks Remembrance Day, given the reason why WW2 was fought in the West.

I am not sure why you are getting it in the neck though, the OP says he is sick and tired of the Holocaust and that we shouldn't care about it. This is consistent of BNP ideology before they tried (and failed) to ape the EDL. Well I don't suppose Sharpe would care for the tons of explosive ordnance dropped on London and elsewhere by the fascists either.

[Slaytaninc]

So on this magical day Israel magically becomes immune to any and all criticism?
Seriously?

Yes. Undoubtedly. In fact, you are required to sing Israel's praises and chant "Death to the Palestinians." It's the law.

What's really disrespectful to the millions who died at the hands of monsters is how the Israel government acts towards the Palestinians a lot of the time. Israel makes a mockery of that tragedy. Pointing out this mockery is their own fault.

Israel=/=All Jews.

He said Jews. Jews in Israel perhaps, but Jews. So his implication was that "Teh Joos" had a conspiracy to go into Israel and kill Palestinians.

am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."

He could have ignored the Jews and the Holocaust and said that Israel is evil. He chose this date and these words on purpose.

Owen Jones said it best:

Outrageous stuff from Lib Dem MP David Ward. It's the Israeli government - not "the Jews" - oppressing the Palestinians

[Sharpe's Company]

That state that occupies Palestine is a Jewish State, why do people try to deny the fact?

What David Ward has said is spot on and is in line with public opinion.

I think it's sad that the Jews line up and throw hate at David Ward and get others to join in. The BBC Radio Interveiw that Mr. Ward took part in was so stupid that I believe most people came away with the opinion that Jews have too much say in our National debates.

An they lets remember make up less than 1% of the countries population, but the media giants like the BBC and the three main poiltical parties all rush to condemn Mr. Ward MP's comments.

The sooner we shut down their voice the better, Im sick of jewish holocaust propaganda.



It's not like it hasn't been said before either.

[nameless]

"Having visited Auschwitz twice - once with my family and once with local schools - I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall the Nazis giving Jews a chance to be a part of their society. It was literally "I'm going to take your stuff and then kick you out of the country or beat you"

Nor do I remember them even willing to settle at a table to negotiate some details.

That and Israel isn't kidnapping people and sending them to work labour/concentration camps are they?

If it was the same level of atrocities Palenstine wouldn't even be around at this point.

[mongrel]

A dumb liberal, but I must ask one question, why would a BNP supporter post this?, After all Nick Griffin doesn't believe that the holocaust existed.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

I don't think what he said is so bad. Except he put it the worst way possible. He should have just said ,what the Israeli government is doing in order to maintain stability in the country is getting out of hand and the methods needs to be looked into...

[motiv-8]

To see if he has a valid point I suppose you'd have to look up how many members of Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun were Holocaust survivors.

Certainly an inappropriate moment to be trying to make poignant points though.

[Lord Baratheon]

"Having visited Auschwitz twice - once with my family and once with local schools - I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21194991

"These comments are sickening and unacceptable and have no place in British politics." -Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust

"We are outraged and shocked at these offensive comments about Jewish victims of the Holocaust and the suggestion that Jews should have learned a lesson from the experience.

"For an MP to have made such comments on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day is even more distasteful, and we welcome the fact that the Liberal Democrats have sought to disassociate the party from David Ward's comments." -Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews


Does anyone think he's made a vaild point?

And please tell me, Surely I'm not the only one who is sick and tied of the Holocaust, I mean really, who cares about it!

What nonsense.Will the BNP stop latching on to the concern about immigration and thus presenting themselves as the allies of all conservative people in this country.They are not,they are the enemy of British conservatism.This so clearly ilustrated by their moronic anti-Jewish rants and views.Prehaps the BNP have more in common with radical Islam than they care to admit....

Their sub-intellectual all so boring conspiracy theories about the Jews would put the Iranian Govt to shame.As for your comment of ''who cares about the holocaust'' I am lost for words.Why dont they just come out and say they love the long dead National Socialist ideology.

The BNP in a nutshell:A wierd cult of Hitler worshiping anti-jewish morons who are trying to latch on to the peoples legitimate concerns about immigration.

As for the Liberal MP its fair to say what he says is the view of his leftist voters, who are drunk on pure anti-Israel rage.So its a good thing that every once in a while the true views of politicians come out.I suppose the Lib Dems are just trying to get back with their student support base after the hyped up rubbish about tutition fees.Naturally enough I dont agree with what he said but he can /should say if he wishes.

[Sharpe's Company]

What nonsense.Will the BNP stop latching on to the concern about immigration and thus presenting themselves as the allies of all conservative people in this country.They are not,they are the enemy of British conservatism.This so clearly ilustrated by their moronic anti-Jewish rants and views.Prehaps the BNP have more in common with radical Islam than they care to admit....

Their sub-intellectual all so boring conspiracy theories about the Jews would put the Iranian Govt to shame.As for your comment of ''who cares about the holocaust'' I am lost for words.Why dont they just come out and say they love the long dead National Socialist ideology.

The BNP in a nutshell:A wierd cult of Hitler worshiping anti-jewish morons who are trying to latch on to the peoples legitimate concerns about immigration.

The Conservative Party that represents British Conservatism has utterly failed to conserve anything. I suspect as a 'conservative' you're all too happy to rewrite the thousand year old definition of marriage, the modern conservatism is little better than marxism and you wonder why people reject it?

The BNP's direct ancestor, the British Brothers League have been campaigning against immigration far longer than the conservative party, their policy has always been to introduce more and more, because they're in league with the corporations who make billions exploiting workers.

The National Front, the BNP have always had members who fought during the second world war, even the British Union movement of Oswald Mosley had members who fought during the war, and I think I right in saying that the first British death of ww2 was a member.

You think we're hostile to Britain in other words, we're not, we're British First and thats why you really dislike us.

So busy off over the telegraph for your fix of British Jewish Conservatism.

[Lord Baratheon]

The Conservative Party that represents British Conservatism has utterly failed to conserve anything. I suspect as a 'conservative' you're all too happy to rewrite the thousand year old definition of marriage, the modern conservatism is little better than marxism and you wonder why people reject it?

The BNP's direct ancestor, the British Brothers League have been campaigning against immigration far longer than the conservative party, their policy has always been to introduce more and more, because they're in league with the corporations who make billions exploiting workers.

You think we're hostile to Britain in other words, we're not, we're British First and thats why you really dislike us.

So busy off over the telegraph for your fix of British Jewish Conservatism.

First of all you make the mistake of telling me that I support the Conservatives ,when I do not. You rant about 'corporations' and other conspiracy theories.Do you not see how moronic all of this is.You label me a Marxist yet rant about ''Corporations who make billions exploting workers''.

Next you tell me about the odious National Front.How does this chav infested skinhead organisation possibly represent British Conservatism.They know nothing about the traditions of this country.Is that the same National Front whose Northern Ireland policy is erect a wall along the border and deport all those of non-British passports.

Again both the BNP and National Front have a hatred of Jews derived from National Socialism.Its moronic and pointless.Remember the investigation into Nick Griffin's Ancestry because his father had a ''Jewish looking nose''.And you think these people could lead the country.I'd rather vote Labour a hundred times than vote for this silly cult.

The BNP are a godsend to agressive leftists like Blair etc.They are able to use use this organisation to demonise the long defeated political right in this country.I fear that in departure of the Tories to Blairism will mean a few people may turn to this organisation.If you must find a alternate to the Conservatives let it be UKIP.The BNP is your enemy.Real conservatives should abhor the bigotry that lies beneath their skin.

[Aymer de Valence]

HEAR HEAR, SHARPE! rep+

[mongrel]

HEAR HEAR, SHARPE! rep+

Cheering anti-Semitism, how pathetic.

[Caelifer_1991]

I don't really have a problem with Mr ward's comments aside from that he failed to specify Israel in his statement (thus falsely implying a commonality and unity of outlook by all Jews worldwide), if it was an oversight, then that's forgettable, if it was deliberate, then it is somewhat regrettable, but regardless, it does make a valid point in regards to Israel. My opinion is that the Holocaust ought to be remembered forever, and that lessons be learned from it by everyone, be they Jewish or not, whether they be in Israel or not; if the lessons from it are not learned then what is the point of remembering it at all?

[athanaric]

"Holocaust Fest"? What, are they celebrating the genocide there?

"Having visited Auschwitz twice - once with my family and once with local schools - I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza."

He implied that Israel's treatment of the Arabs is like the Holocaust, while hiding behind his "compassion" for the Jews that were murdered then. This is disingenuous because his insinuation is just plainly wrong and even if there were atrocities now or if he was referring to past wrongdoings, it would still be extremely hyperbolic. This routine is common with anti-Semites, especially in Europe. Hint: when the numbers of the "targeted" people increase sharply, it's not called genocide.

Apart from that, you have a point in that the Holocaust is far too often used to justify this or that, by all sides.

Quite easily, those with dual nationality will be stripped of their british citisenship and eventually deported as illegal immigrants.

And I should also say that jews residing in England are illegal under the law in anycase.

Why, though? Are they all involved in crime, or are they out-breeding the native population? I think neither is the case, so why are you mad about a few thousand Jews residing in England? There are other ethnic or ideological groups that are far more problematic. The only problem I see is with "ultra-orthodox" wackos, but they're hardly common in the UK.