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    Panetta opens combat roles to women

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior defense officials say Pentagon chief Leon Panetta is removing the military's ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war.

    The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule prohibiting women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta's decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.

    A senior military official says the services will develop plans for allowing women to seek the combat positions. Some jobs may open as soon as this year. Assessments for others, such as special operations forces, including Navy SEALS and the Army's Delta Force, may take longer.

    The official said the military chiefs must report back to Panetta with their initial implementation plans by May 15. The announcement on Panetta's decision is not expected until Thursday, so the official spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Panetta's move expands the Pentagon's action nearly a year ago to open about 14,500 combat positions to women, nearly all of them in the Army. This decision could open more than 230,000 jobs, many in Army and Marine infantry units, to women.

    In recent years the necessities of war propelled women into jobs as medics, military police and intelligence officers that were sometimes attached — but not formally assigned — to units on the front lines.

    Women comprise 14 percent of the 1.4 million active military personnel.
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    Pentagon 'to end' ban on women in front-line combat

    US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has removed the military's ban on women serving in combat, a senior Pentagon official has said.

    The move could open hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and elite commando jobs to women.

    It overturns a 1994 rule prohibiting women from being assigned to small ground-combat units.

    But the military would have until 2016 to argue for any specific posts they think should remained closed to women.

    The decision is expected to be formally announced on Thursday.

    Women comprise 14% of America's 1.4 million active military personnel.
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    Interesting, I wonder how would that affect US military in future? Would there even have a all female combat unit?
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    Good to know.

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    Ya, but that problem can be reduced by forming all-female unit right? Military can also justify this choice by saying it reduce logistical difficulty.
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    ...i saw an episode of this show called lie to me and on it there was this case that revolved around military women getting raped, sexually and mentally(verbal/emotional abuse) and it was kind of sickening since i know this happens and all or most of those episodes are based on real cases, or so i was told, so until these injustices are resolved i dont think how that could work...this is the two cents of a dude who has boobies for his user name ...
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    Women have already been serving in combat posts. Isn't that what the F.E.T. was suppose to be?

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    I think the title is quite misleading as I believe the US has had women on warships and flying combat aircraft for quite some time now.


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    Before women couldn't serve at the front line and only did behind the scenes things in the Army like artillery or convoys in non-dangerous areas. Now they are equal to men in duty.

    It's about damn time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Before women couldn't serve at the front line and only did behind the scenes things in the Army like artillery or convoys in non-dangerous areas. Now they are equal to men in duty.
    Except they aren't. In terms of physical capability the average male is better suited to the rigors of infantry combat than even the top of class female. It's not a knock on women it's just physiological differences. It's been studied before and I do believe that they determined only around 1% of women would be fully physically capable.

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    It's been studied before and I do believe that they determined only around 1% of women would be fully physically capable.
    Ya but we cannot deny the will of that 1% women right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhán View Post
    Except they aren't. In terms of physical capability the average male is better suited to the rigors of infantry combat than even the top of class female. It's not a knock on women it's just physiological differences. It's been studied before and I do believe that they determined only around 1% of women would be fully physically capable.
    Well, instead of the two extremes of excluding women and double standards, why don't they just have a single physical requirement that allows anyone of either sex entrance if they're good enough? Which, if they're not insane, is what they will have, surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Well, instead of the two extremes of excluding women and double standards, why don't they just have a single physical requirement that allows anyone of either sex entrance if they're good enough? Which, if they're not insane, is what they will have, surely?
    Because that won't ever stand. It's been done before in other professions. After a few lawsuits where women complain that they shouldn't be held to the same standards, because they just can't pass, the standards inevitably get lowered.

    Like Pugs said I'm not against it if they don't lower the standards. But they will. Then again like Pugs I'm no longer affected by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhán View Post
    Because that won't ever stand. It's been done before in other professions. After a few lawsuits where women complain that they shouldn't be held to the same standards, because they just can't pass, the standards inevitably get lowered.

    Like Pugs said I'm not against it if they don't lower the standards. But they will. Then again like Pugs I'm no longer affected by it.
    Well, I don't know about the USA, but I know the EU is aggressively against seperate standards for men and women. A case there a while ago abolished insurance companies charging different rates for males and females.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhán View Post
    Except they aren't. In terms of physical capability the average male is better suited to the rigors of infantry combat than even the top of class female. It's not a knock on women it's just physiological differences. It's been studied before and I do believe that they determined only around 1% of women would be fully physically capable.
    That's the same argument that's been used to justify keeping black people, gay people, etc. from front line service. Each time, when the formal restrictions have been removed the swan song about inherent, insurmountable differences has always proven false.

    Women serve in the Israeli military without serious difficulty. The suggestion that there's any inherent bar to women being able to serve as soldier is just sexism dressed up as pragmatism.
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    That's the same argument that's been used to justify keeping black people, gay people, etc. from front line service. Each time, when the formal restrictions have been removed the swan song about inherent, insurmountable differences has always proven false.
    Gay men and black men are no different physically than white men.

    Women are different physically than men.

    Cut the "you're just a bigot" crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaytaninc View Post
    Gay men and black men are no different physically than white men.

    Women are different physically than men.

    Cut the "you're just a bigot" crap.
    The argument that gay men and black men aren't inherently any different was accepted by bigots only after the military was integrated to accommodate them. Once women are integrated, the argument that they're inherently different will sound like the argument that black people inherently make bad soldiers.

    Again, even if your arguments made sense in a speculative, I'm just guessing sense (and they don't), they would be disproved by the Israeli military. All that's left is ill concealed sexism.
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    It's about damn time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Before women couldn't serve at the front line and only did behind the scenes things in the Army like artillery or convoys in non-dangerous areas. Now they are equal to men in duty.

    It's about damn time.
    Damn right. It's about damn time we give everyone the opportunity to experience the horrors of war.

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    Damn right. It's about damn time we give everyone the opportunity to experience the horrors of war.
    If that reduce the risk of future war why not?
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