Second rebellion; had 120, lost 80 provinces

[Petite Wolf]

Paladin, your killsheet opened fine for me with Excel. I didn't need to do anything special. I just extracted it from the zip folder and opened it. Oh! Also, Sarmatia was missing from the "RSII Campaign" tab, and Pergamon and the Cimbri are missing from the Legion tabs. Just thought I'd let you know. Pergamon, although it is on the "RSII Campaign" tab, doesn't seem to be part of the chart. It took me a while, as I'm completely useless with Excel, but I did manage to figure out how to add them and get them working like the rest. I also colour-coded each faction's column on the RSII Campaign tab because colour coding is fun =D.

[Paladin247]

Petite Wolf, thanks for your post; I'm glad to know it breaks correctly. It didn't when I tested it after I posted; I think I know what I did wrong.

I'd never noticed that Sarmatia and Pergamon were missing likely because I've never fought a battle vs. either. By the time I'd gotten to their lands in my previous campaign, they'd already been destroyed by another faction. Both are hanging around in this one tho, so I fixed them on the sheets. Also fixed the Cimbri which I had known about but forgot. When I came on them in the current campaign, I took the lazy man's approach and re-named the Dacians who were already extinct. Like you, I'm not proficient in Excel, mostly it's monkey see, monkey do with no real idea of why it works when it does. I also noticed on the campaign tab that Sparta is listed on the column header, but not in the factions box at upper right. Without appearing there, the bar graph for them won't come up, so add them in.

[Paladin247]

For those who want it; here's the complete, working KillSheet. It should now have all factions in working order. Remember to open w/ Excel.

[5th Lieutenant]

Paladin, out of interest why do you also have the Hamata Legions under 'Pre-Marius'? Interesting campaign / thread - thanks

[Paladin247]

5th LT, thanks.

I like associating names w/ my legions even the Pre-Marians. So I've used some of the earlier names there like Italica, Sabina, Lybica, etc. that are not used in the post Marian army. Then when these decommission after the reforms, I march them back to the bases of their replacements and transfer their traits to the newly recruited Hamatas via the 'create_unit' cheat. Some will say that it's not Kosher, but I assume that some of the decommissioning legionaries would transition into the new legion. And of course to my benefit, if the Sabina's have a bunch of silver chevron units on decommission, the Augustas then pick them up.

[Paladin247]

It's the winter of 773 AUC and as you can see the rebellion is crushed. It took 53 years in which we fought 120 battles and killed 268,005 rebels. We have re-established our limes along the traditional Rhine/Danube barrier in Europe and currently along the Nile in Egypt which is almost exactly where we were when the rebellion hit. The lone blue rebel province shown is Sarmizegetusa which the rebels are holding with almost a full stack garrison. This was originally within the empire, but is outside the more defensible Rhine/Danube limes. I haven't decided yet what to do with it; after we took it the first time it became a salient constantly attacked by Macedonia, more of a pain than it was worth. So I may just go kill all the rebels therein and trash the place.

We don't need the money tho, the economy is booming; made almost 80K last GT and running a balance of about 100K. Running out of things to spend it on. Alot of provinces are built out. All legions and four aux cohorts at full strength with the exception of VIth Victrix. They were serving as the garrison against brigands and the like in Spain and Western Africa when they were virtually destroyed recently by an earthquake at Baikor (less than 50 survivors). I retrained the four surviving legion cohorts, an archer company and an ala, but haven't recruited any replacement units. As currently manned they should be plenty of a match for any emerging threats. As has been oft stated in this forum, they become pretty useless as the war moves east. Their sister legion XXth Valeria Victrix is in Northern Gaul serving as garrison and reserves for the legions facing the Cimbri who attack enuf to be troublesome but not dangerous.

According to the line graphs of the remaining factions, Armenia is our only real rival with a military larger than ours but a much less muscular economy. We are at peace with them currently. They have taken all the previously Egyptian provinces east of the Nile which are sparsely garrisoned. Armenia is at war w/ Egypt, but my spies who have ranged all the way to the top of the Levant, have not been able to locate any Egyptian forces and not a lot of Armenians.

We have five legions in Egypt and two in Byzantion where Armenian holdings across the straits also have meager defenders and no nearby field armies.

Plan is to stand pat for a while and flush spies into the Armenian Empire to locate their strengths w/ the long range goal of taking Turkey and the Levant.

[Sertorio]

Very good thread. +Rep

[tungri_centurio]

hell yea verry nice+rep

[Paladin247]

Thanks guys.

[ur-Lord Tedric]

Thanks guys.

It is well deserved. Your experience(s), the details and persevering to the conclusion has been extremely useful.

Now, my only remaining question, and especially if you destroy all the rebels - have you had any issues with settlements re-rebelling? For if not, then at least that part may be over.....

A genuine and well earned Rep+1.

[tungri_centurio]

I believe he playes 2.1 there was no rebellion bug or am i wrong with that??

[ur-Lord Tedric]

I believe he playes 2.1 there was no rebellion bug or am i wrong with that??

I went back and re-read carefully - and sadly that does seem to be the case. That does make it even more curious to me how the bug even crept in......

Can't/Wouldn't dream of taking the Rep back - still useful!

[Sertorio]

I went back and re-read carefully - and sadly that does seem to be the case. That does make it even more curious to me how the bug even crept in......

Can't/Wouldn't dream of taking the Rep back - still useful!

I believe there were changes in the system of what caused the rebellion and how it worked between 2.1 and 2.5. I have been playing since 2.0 and i think i remember something about it on the release notes. Sadly it gone bad and the rebellion got bugged.

[Mirni]

I play Roman take cartage ,spain & greece Game Is Great best ever total war experience!

Then come 2rebelion and citys are rebbeling turn after turn so i cant play normaly now do someone know can you fix it i try change trigger to 198settlements but it hapens anaway

[tungri_centurio]

No he deserves the rep completly.it is still a hard challenge to reconquer all that land.
Even without playing 2.5 did the team changes something about the rebellion for 2.5

[Paladin247]

Mirni,

Try this: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...sav-compatible

[Paladin247]

A few days ago, a member was nice enough to give me a +rep on the thread. I was surprised since I hadn't posted since May.

So thought I would put out an update. When I posted our progress last, at the conclusion of the rebellion, I envisioned that it wouldn't be too long before I was writing to chronicle the end of the war. Alas, the empire's enemies have proven more resilient than expected. There are really only two left, the Greeks and Armenians.

The year is now 803 AUC. After we defeated the Cimbri and killed their king, that empire fragmented into seven provinces under Free Barbarians. These we conquered with the northern legions which now man the limes against the Sarmatians who so far seem pretty docile. This expansion into Denmark and Germany was ahistorical, but it was easy pickings and those legions were out of a job at the time.

When I started this campaign, my intent was to replicate Roman expansion and conquests in roughly historical order. So when the rebellion ended in 773 AUC we were stabilized along the traditional Rhine/Danube limes and my intention was to concentrate on the Armenians once I had recruited the three Egypt based legions, IIIrd Cyrenaica, Xth Fretensis and XXIInd Deiotariana. These would join the four legions already in Egypt, IIIrd Augusta, VIIth Claudia, VIIIth August and XIth Claudia and move north conquering the Armenian holdings along the Levant and into SE Turkey. This was also intended to relieve the deadlock at Byzantion where Armenia repeatedly assaulted across the straits with two full stacks every other GT. This hasn't worked out as planned because Armenia has spawned an astonishing number of full stack armies. Since the end of the rebellion the legions have killed 332,494 Armenians. Just a few nights ago in one game year we fought ten battles killing 20,580. Yet across from Byzantion we can see four full stacks revving up to attack. We've fought these four-army battles in front of Byzantion so often that I know the field like the back of my teeth. It takes four legions just to hold here, three around Byzantion and one, the Praetorians, guarding the back door at Lysmachia. Why so many? Because these are all open field battles with two armies on each side. Fighting two Armenian armies with one legion is an invitation to a Teuterberger re-creation. They are armed and armored like legionaries with much better cavalry. Inevitably after one of these, the legion that was under the AI has been wrinkled up badly. IVth Flavia Felix has been the mainstay because their casualties can be retrained just up the road at Odessus. Ist Minervia is second, but their retrainees have to go by ship to Athens. So to keep the two fully battle ready, XIIIth Gemina backs them up, but her casualties have to go all the way to Italy.

The fall of Macedonia has freed up Ist Adiutrix and XXIst Rapax who are beseiging Halikarnases and Petara in southern Turkey via amphibious assaults. These are held by feeble garrisons and should fall with minimal legion casualties. Then we'll see if this draws the Armenians south and relieves enough pressure around Byzantion so we can take the fight across the straits. If they don't take this gambit, we may just lay waste to all their holding thereabouts which will at least cost them money.

In the Levant our advance is stalled around Raphia with five Armenian armies to our front up at Antioch and two more beyond. Yeah, but you've got seven legions, what's the problem? Here again it's logistics. We have turned Pafos on Cyprus into an Arsenal of the Empire and the three Egyptian legions can retrain there after one GT sea voyages to & from. Three of the other four legions are down around half strength with loggy trains that stretch back to Sicily except for IIIrd Augusta which goes to Cyrene.

In the north, the Danube legions have begun to attack the Greek holdings north and east of the Black Sea which may free up another legion to go against Armenia at some point.

The good news is we are rich; money is not a problem. Thus we may re-recruit XXII Primigenia, decommissioned in hard times, and use them on the European limes to free up a more logistically friendly legion for eastern duty.

[tungri_centurio]

mirni did you had the 2e rebellion,and than aplied the fix?

[Mirni]

mirni did you had the 2e rebellion,and than aplied the fix?

No sir i aplied it 10turns before 2rebelion comes and still hapend i think i has some conection with generals .Not Family members only recriuted generals because when they governing cities are rebeling but when i send them out cities are good again.....

[tungri_centurio]

you need to delete map.rwm in the launcher i believe.
family members rebel also when they are governers in reconquerd citys.
lets hope they find the problem and fix it.or use the old rebellion setup from2.1