Spitballing: Latinokratia

[Gandalfus]

Me and LM had an idea for a Latin Empire RPG a while back, so here it is:

Latin Empire, 1214. Set Shortly after theTreaty of Nymphaeum, the Latin Empire, ruled by Henry of Flanders, exerts full dominance over Greece, surrounded by the various Greek Successor states and Italian republics. With the Latin empire struggling to recruit Frankish Knights and troops of a reliable disposition, it is forced to rely heavily on Mercenaries, Greek Levies, and the Italians.

Map:



Here are a few basic features:
Orthodox Rebellions
Possible crusades
Piety Stat (controls the conversion levels of the province, determines religious rebellions, religious followings etc)
Enhanced Feudal system



Feudal Heirarchy:
Emperor
King
Prince
Duke
Count
Baron
Knight


Each player would basically start of as a knight, save for the Prince of Achaea, the King of Thessalonika, and the duke of Athens, which will be decided by lottery. The players would be able to work their way up the feudal ladder to the position of emperor, a position easy to gain but hard to keep inside the family.

Unit Roster (Latins)

Light Armed Pilgrims Thematic Spearmen Thematic Archers Sergeant Spearmen Venetian Crossbowmen Light Cavalry Turkish Horse Archers Medium Frankish Men-at-Arms Armoured Sergeants Genoese Crossbowmen Frankish Archers Heavy Dismounted Frankish Knights Mounted Frankish Knights

Playable Positions:

Latin Emperor: Levy of 5400

Main Title: Latin Emperor, Count of Constantinople Secondary Title: Count of Hadrianopolis Levy: 1200 Dismounted Frankish Knights 800 Mounted Frankish Knights 1200 Frankish Men at Arms 1200 Thematic Spearmen 500 Armoured Serjeants 500 Geonese Crossbowmen

King of Thessalonika: Levy of 4700

Main Title: King of Thessalonika, Count of Thessalonika secondary title: Count of Thessaly. levy: 1000 Sergeant Spearmen 750 Frankish Men-at-Arms 700 Thematic Levies 500 Armoured Sergeants 400 Thematic Archers 350 Genoese Crossbowmen 600 Dismounted Frankish Knights 400 Mounted Frankish Knights

Prince of Achaea: Levy of 4500

Main Title: Prince of Achaea, Count of Achaia Secondary Title: Count of Korinthos Levy: 900 Sergeant Spearmen 750 Frankish Men-at-Arms 500 Armoured Serjeants 700 Thematic Spearmen 400 Thematic Archers 350 Genoese Crossbowmen 500 Dismounted Frankish Knights 400 Mounted Frankish Knights

Duchy of Athens: Levy of 4200

Main Title: Duke of Athens, Count of Athens Secondary Title: Count of Demetrias Levy: 900 Sergeant Spearmen 650 Frankish Men-at-Arms 500 Armoured Sergeants 700 Thematic Spearmen 400 Thematic Archers 350 Genoese Crossbowmen 400 Dismounted Frankish Knights 300 Mounted Frankish Knights

Uncontrolled Lands (Acquired by RP)

County of Hadrianopolis: Levy of 2000

550 Frankish Men-at-Arms 550 Thematic Spearmen 250 Genoese Crossbowmen 350 Dismounted Frankish Knights 300 Mounted Frankish Knights

Count of Thessaly: Levy of 1500

350 Frankish Men-at-Arms 500 Thematic Spearmen 200 Genoese Crossbowmen 250 Dismounted Frankish Knights 100 Mounted Frankish Knights

Count of Korinthos: Levy of 1250

350 Frankish Men-at-Arms 350 Thematic Spearmen 200 Genoese Crossbowmen 250 Dismounted Frankish Knights 100 Mounted Frankish Knights

County of Demetrias: Levy of 1250

350 Frankish Men-at-Arms 350 Thematic Spearmen 200 Genoese Crossbowmen 250 Dismounted Frankish Knights 100 Mounted Frankish Knights

Baron of Blachernae: Levy of 500

150 Frankish Men-at-Arms 150 Thematic Spearmen 100 Thematic Archers 50 Dismounted Frankish Knights 50 Mounted Frankish Knights

County of Kaliopolis: Levy of 1250

350 Frankish Men-at-Arms 350 Thematic Spearmen 200 Genoese Crossbowmen 250 Dismounted Frankish Knights 100 Mounted Frankish Knights

Land Revenue and Character Income

Emperor: 10,000 Ducats
King: 7000 Ducats
Prince: 6000 Ducats
Duke: 5000 Ducats
Count: 3000 Ducats
Baron: 2500 Ducats
Knights: 2500 Ducats

Emperor of Constantinople

35,000 Ducats

WIP

Moderators:
Thrór
Lucius Malfoy

Interested:
Pinkerton
Pyyrhus the Molossian
Bain of Dishonour
Bastard Feudalism
Ganbarenippon
The Stig

[Gandalfus]

Of course, this is just a concept, so no ideas have been worked out yet. Heck, I don't even know if this is gonna be the layout.


EDIT: on second thought, should I make a social group?

[Lucius Malfoy]

Everyone must know that I will be playing as Henri de Flanders who is the Latin Emperor.

I get the hard task of having a male heir (seeing as Latin Emperors did not reign for long), maintaining control over the Greeks and the Latin pilgrims (which causes trouble), ensuring our borders are secure (against a resurging Bulgaria and Byzantine Empire as well as the Turks with other Greek nations) and trying to gain reinforcements from other Western nations.

Though the Kingdom of Thessalonica, Duchy of Athens and Principality of Achaea were independent nations, the Emperor of the Latin Empire held overlordship over them and they were de jure vassals of him with a semi-autonomous rule (able to declare their own wars and maintain their own militaries). They paid homage to the Latin Emperor. Sort of like Plantagenet Kings paid homage to the French King as de jure vassals of the French King while controlling Aquitaine.

This idea may replace Deus Vult's current setting.

[Pinkerton]

This seems more like a concept proposal. I believe a social group would be more adequate as the Guidelines say that proposals must be nearly finished when a thread is created in the Consulate

• Forum requests must include the intended title and sub-title of both main and sub-fora.
• All requested fora must have a specific and well outlined purpose in the context of your RPG proposal.
• Asking for several extraneous sub-fora will be frowned upon. An entire forum wasted on Registration is a good example of this.
• Include a rules set that is either complete or very near completion
• A full and updated list of LM's/Players should be maintained in the proposal thread.

Party pooper Pinkerton to the rescue!

I like it, though

[Gandalfus]

I will most likely update the OP with a proposal once this thread has run its course.

[Pyrrhus the Molossian]

I'm interested.

[Ganbarenippon]

Have you made a group? I'd be interested to get involved with the concepts and ideas. DV had some nice ideas, and was fun, but there were a few things missing from it. Anyhow, put me down as interested.

[Lucius Malfoy]

We do have a group. Look at my profile or GG's for the group: Latin Empire RPG

[Dirty Chai]

You know I'm with you guys.

[Nesimî]

Its a pity you can't play as a Seljuk, I would have wanted to do that.

[Trot]

I would love to play as the duke of athens

[Gandalfus]

It's decided by lottery

[Pyrrhus the Molossian]

Don't forget ship levies. And Genoa and Venice were major players. Perhaps they should be included?

[Gandalfus]

They will come in due course. But no Italian republic players. They are not playable under any circumstances. You can play AS a venetian, but not as Venice.

[Gandalfus]

Btw, feel free to join the social group and put ideas forward. The character rules will be up soon. The gods of luck willing, this should be up by the end of the week.

[Pyrrhus the Molossian]

That sounds cool. How will Venice be represented?

[Gandalfus]

Most likely as it was; the merchant republic that bears a lot of influence over he empire and the Mediterranean Sea.

[Lucius Malfoy]

The Latin Empire had no navy or a small one so had to mostly rely upon Venice who took the forces of the Third Crusade to attack the Byzantine Empire and took much of the treasures of Constantinople as a payment for their naval services. Including land that was given to them by the Latin Emperor, Baldwin I.

[Gandalfus]

Mercs and holy orders will feature heavily.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Mercs and holy orders will feature heavily.

Mercs = Turks, Slavic, Greek, Western (Franks, Germans, Italians)
Holy Orders = Historical only (Teutonics, Templars and Hospitallers)