Shisha Bar Series

**Unbreakable212** · January 18, 2013, 05:41 PM

So I've already looked for the information I'm after and haven't found it so thought I'd ask the folks here, seeing as the muslim factions don't drink alcohol (or shouldn't) and the alcoholic and negative traits stem from the brothels series of buildings for the european factions...

Would Shisha bar's also give negative traits to Generals/Family Members? I've always assumed they would but now I'm not too sure. Anyone know?

**tudor93** · January 19, 2013, 02:15 AM

Sisha Bar series doesn't give your generals the Alcoholic trait. It has, I think, something to do with the Grate Speaker (or whatever) trait line?

**Unbreakable212** · January 19, 2013, 03:35 AM

Hmm maybe, but i've noticed i've gotten can tell a tale/great speaker traits as catholic factions aswell, not sure what triggers that.. Maybe to make myself more clear as re-reading my first post I got a little confused myself, Shisha bars are the muslim equivalent of brothel's, which are known to give bad traits to generals, always reckoned that they would then also give bad traits (maybe traits that catholic factions can't get/only obtainable by capturing a city with a Shisha bar in it? Like the Bimaristan & racing tracks)

**tudor93** · January 19, 2013, 04:12 AM

Oh, so you are asking if a catholic general will gain a bad trait (Alcoholic, for example) in case he captures a muslim settlement with a Sisha Bar built? In this case, no, he won't get any bad traits. I'm not 100% sure, though.

**Vipman** · January 19, 2013, 04:48 AM

It's the same building as brothel just with a different name for factions with middle eastern culture, which is also excluded from gaining alcoholic traits. If a non middle eastern faction takes a city with sisha bar in it of course the alcoholic traits will work as with their own equivalent (brothel, inn, whatever)

**tudor93** · January 19, 2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Giumbix

It's the same building as brothel just with a different name for factions with middle eastern culture, which is also excluded from gaining alcoholic traits. If a non middle eastern faction takes a city with sisha bar in it of course the alcoholic traits will work as with their own equivalent (brothel, inn, whatever)

If that is true it really doesn't make sense...

**Vipman** · January 19, 2013, 09:18 AM

What doesn't make sense? Think that crusaders came and conquer an arab city and they make the sisha bar into a tavern where they drink as usual... Just the name remains until you upgrade the building...

**Unbreakable212** · January 19, 2013, 12:05 PM

Thanks Giumbix & Tudor93 for clearing that up for me, Yeah would make sense if crusaders/catholics overtook a formerly muslim settlement, they wouldn't have any need for a Shisha bar, cheers!.