Unit size discrepancies

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

I was going to increase unit sizes on my own in the EDU, when I discovered that many unit sizes have no correspondence to in-game unit sizes.

For example, units that have 16 in the EDU should have 64 units on Huge scale, but they only have 40 in-game on Huge.

What's doing this? Is it a script?

[Vipman]

How do you know that's how it's supposed to be? Are you sure you're not thinking of another game? On huge scale units have 150% more men than on small scale, not 4 times like you say, and I don't think it can be modded, I didn't see it change in some mod at least.

[Sar1n]

RTW has 0.5/1/2/4 progression of unit sizes, M2TW has different.

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

Aowwwwwwwww you jerks. So then what is the maximum unit size level? Also, this would undoubtedly throw it off balance, though I did notice that many of the smaller units have 2 hitpoints. Would doubling their unit size and giving them 1 hitpoint serve? Would I also have to increase the unit size of units with 60 men and 1 hitpoint as well?

[shikaka]

Aowwwwwwwww you jerks. So then what is the maximum unit size level? Also, this would undoubtedly throw it off balance, though I did notice that many of the smaller units have 2 hitpoints. Would doubling their unit size and giving them 1 hitpoint serve? Would I also have to increase the unit size of units with 60 men and 1 hitpoint as well?

Yep. It's mostly knights/dismounted knights though. I think it simulates their rarity (is this a word?) and more effective training compared to lowly infantry.

(I cannot answer the original question)

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

I understadn that fully. My problem is just the unit sizes. Since I'm already doubling them up, does it throw it off balance if these knights have 80 instead of 40 and still have 2 hitpoints?

[Consulo]

It shouldn't if all your other units are doubled as well. If you were to removed the 2 hitpoints you'd be making them overly weak as compared to their number and rarity. Or at least that is my take on it.

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

Speaking of which, I noticed that Anglo-Saxon huscarls had 2 hitpoints, while their unit numbers were comparatively high (90). Considering they seemed to stand alone in the EDU and all other huscarls had 1 hitpoint, I figured this was a typo so I gave them only 1 hitpoint. Was this intentional or was I right?

[Consulo]

That'd be a question for SV or Da Vinci. I honestly don't know.

[napoleonic]

huge units size in M2TW is 2.5x normal units size.

[DaVinci]

OP ... changing (here doubling) the unit numbers influences the default strategical campaign-flow(-balance) in regard of the pop-growth and economy.
And ie. in case of AI for small settlements (ie. villages), they might be empty-recruited, just in case villages can recruit (slots). There are possible other points (disadvantages), too.

I personally cannot recommend that approach, despite the kind of unrealism in this regard.

Technically: edu unit number changes should work per era-campaign setup (also with the launcher), it needs then a new campaign start (at best, remove map.rwm file prior to new campaign).

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

I've already gone around 150 turns into a campaign with doubled unit sizes. Don't know what sort of unrealism you're referring to, as I've not had any problems with regards to settlement growth, and the AI seems to be building up stuff fine on their own (based on the buildings standing after I take their settlements)

[DaVinci]

Fine, then go ahead

[AndariusHaliusScipio]

but what problems are you talking about that would be caused, and stuff related to realism? The main problems/complaints I've encountered thus far have nothing to do with population/troop numbers.

[DaVinci]

Kind of unrealism is, that medieval conflicts were done with small armies (without to discuss here the consistence of them), the known (big) battles via written history are the very exceptions.

Next point is for the whole view in this regard, if we Chiv2 developers would have had another unit number approach as we have realised with the released files, we would have done it, the unit numbers are a design choice, and we did a lot testing/balancing, simple as that.

However, no problem at all, as long you have fun with that kind of alteration (and it works properly for you), as fun is the common goal.