Rebuilding osgiliath with Arnor

**jimjuif** · January 18, 2013, 03:06 PM

Hi there,

i know there is a similary topic but sadly left unanswered. My aim is to modify my version of tatw to be able to rebuild Osgiliath as Arnor. I succeded in implementing it, but i have two problems now:

1)I can't have the rebuilt osgiliath battle map model (got the strategic map one via the export_culture file)

2)whatever i try, i cant figure out how to make the royal armoury buildable with arnor (obviously to get the aor unit)

by the way, is it possible that there is a bug on the ''vanilla'' tatw 3.2 about rebuilding osgiliath with gondor (i dont know i dont play with gondor, they kinda s**k), cause to make the ''hidden_resource osgiliath-xx'' work properly in the export_desc_building file, had to change the

huge_stone_wall city requires factions { gondor, } and hidden_resource osgiliath_east

to

huge_stone_wall city requires factions { byzantium, turks, } and hidden_resource osgiliath_east

guess for gondor it would have been sicily????

seem the engine doesnt like the culture instead of the faction, cuz when i first mod this file i put northmen instead and huge stone walls were available in all settlements of the right size, as if the hidden ressource wasnt red properly...

Anyway, any help would be appreciated for my modification!

thx

**Ngugi** · January 18, 2013, 05:33 PM

2) In the EDB, add turks to these lines:

Code:

        plate_armourer city requires factions { sicily, moors, turks, }  and building_present_min_level barracks militia_barracks

Code:

        c_plate_armourer castle requires factions { sicily, moors, turks, }  and building_present_min_level castle_barracks armoury

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Ngugi

2) In the EDB, add turks to these lines:

Code:

        plate_armourer city requires factions { sicily, moors, turks, }  and building_present_min_level barracks militia_barracks

Code:

        c_plate_armourer castle requires factions { sicily, moors, turks, }  and building_present_min_level castle_barracks armoury

i dont understand why the blacksmiths?

its the top tier barrack that i want available in osgiliath, armoury, for the pikemen.
is it that i really need those blacksmith usually unavalaible for arnor to get the actual armoury?
but do i need the army barrack which become available through an event?

maybe my problem is linked to the large_city_barracks event?

where are the files for this event, cant find em

plus, i've made a couple of full playthrough with 3 factions and never saw it

for exemple, never saw a unit of arnor pikemen or arnor knight in campain

surely not normal!

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 12:22 AM

For my point 1)

would renaming one (or all) the files in the settlement\unique\osg e&w repaired and copying to the generic northern huge city & citadel model would do the trick since it would be the only settlement upgradable to huge anyway? Does that would mess with other unique (northmen) settlement models. Got to see if dale or rohan start with a huge city...
if it would work, which files are the generic northmen huge city/citadel models

**Withwnar** · January 18, 2013, 11:03 PM

Cultures do work here.

"sicily" is the one and only faction of the "gondor" culture. So either can be used in cases like this, as they both equate to "the Gondor faction".

"northmen" is a religion. Arnor's culture is "northern_european". But so is Dale's, Rohan's and Eriador's so that's no help if you want this for Arnor only.

I think that this would do it...

Code:

huge_stone_wall city requires factions { gondor, turks, } and hidden_resource osgiliath_east and event_counter dunedain_turks 1

**jimjuif** · January 18, 2013, 11:54 PM

yeah i know about the culture versus religion thing

i wanted to point to a possible source of problem for others wannabe modder, the hidden resouce wasnt properly red when pointing (more than?) one culture instead of factions...

{ gondor, northmen } didnt worked properly

i know technically dale and rohan would have been able to rebuild it this way, i didnt care since AI wont reach it and i dont play those anyway

{ byzantium, turks } did the trick, the hidden resource was red

**Withwnar** · January 19, 2013, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by jimjuif

{ gondor, northmen } didnt worked properly

Because "northmen" is not a culture. There is no problem with using multiple cultures but that is not what you are doing - that's why it broke for you.

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

Because "northmen" is not a culture. There is no problem with using multiple cultures but that is not what you are doing - that's why it broke for you.

yeah thx,

gotta learn someway...

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

Cultures do work here.

"sicily" is the one and only faction of the "gondor" culture. So either can be used in cases like this, as they both equate to "the Gondor faction".

"northmen" is a religion. Arnor's culture is "northern_european". But so is Dale's, Rohan's and Eriador's so that's no help if you want this for Arnor only.

I think that this would do it...

Code:

huge_stone_wall city requires factions { gondor, turks, } and hidden_resource osgiliath_east and event_counter dunedain_turks 1

yeah maybe i messed up with those northmen/northern_european which would have cause the issue...
anyway works well with the faction, for the city upgrade at least

**Withwnar** · January 19, 2013, 12:32 AM

Plus without the " and event_counter dunedain_turks 1" Eriador will be able to upgrade too.

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 12:38 AM

i know that too but i assumed that by the time i get the cities and population, im well into arnor.
its for personal use so i didnt made it top notch coded ultra-lore, cuz i ''role-play'' it anyway, wouldnt seek the osgiliath objective with a plain eriador campain

**jimjuif** · January 19, 2013, 11:31 AM

I confirm that the unbuildable armoury issue is linked to the (unproper) functionning of the large_city_barracks event, which prevent from building the army barrack which is needed for the armoury. Erase those requirement in the EDB and voilà!
Finally saw those top tier unit with arnor, knights heavy archer and pikemen...

**koetj** · February 09, 2014, 04:25 PM

Cerf = conquer

**koetj** · February 09, 2014, 04:24 PM

In the divide and cerf mod the northern dunedain have gondor culture will they be able to rebuilt osgiliath?

**Ngugi** · February 09, 2014, 05:27 PM

Ask Emperor of Hell in DaC's thread if you want to know what DaC has chosen; what's crucial is if the faction is coded to be able to upgrade to large cities & castles (and there's limitations there), not what culture/religion a faction has