STEAM RTW 2 or NON STEAM RTW 2 version.. that is the question

[MrBoBo1]

gamestop bought impulse.

[Meraun]

i really like steam. its great.

[Adreno]

i really like steam. its great.

ah someone from miller, what are the odds

[General Nuisance esq]

Overall I object to the fact that I buy a game but do not in practice own it
I have changed a computer and due to a lost steam code would have to buy ETW, Napoleon etc if I wanted to play them and I haven't even tried to re install shogun 2
It has some advantages with the DLCs which is the reason we will probably have to suffer it again

Personally hate steam but tolerate it for the game

[AngryTitusPullo]

Overall I object to the fact that I buy a game but do not in practice own it
I have changed a computer and due to a lost steam code would have to buy ETW, Napoleon etc if I wanted to play them and I haven't even tried to re install shogun 2
It has some advantages with the DLCs which is the reason we will probably have to suffer it again

Personally hate steam but tolerate it for the game

Lost Steam code ? You only use the codes once which after that automatically tied to your Steam account. As long as you knows your Steam login and password (which surely you will keep somewhere safe) then you can install it as many times as you want.

[General Nuisance esq]

Lost Steam code ? You only use the codes once which after that automatically tied to your Steam account. As long as you knows your Steam login and password (which surely you will keep somewhere safe) then you can install it as many times as you want.

Steam code I am refering to is the log in code for the steam account itself, changed computer & e mail provider so was screwed

With a disc system this would not have been a problem

[Meraun]

Steam code I am refering to is the log in code for the steam account itself, changed computer & e mail provider so was screwed

With a disc system this would not have been a problem

Well sorry to said, but if you change all that stuff at the same time, you
shoud do certain preparations....

you cant blame Steam for your lack of perparation

[AngryTitusPullo]

Steam code I am refering to is the log in code for the steam account itself, changed computer & e mail provider so was screwed

With a disc system this would not have been a problem

How does loosing your login detail from you losing RTW installation disk ? Or you Disk 1 broke ?

[General Nuisance esq]

How does loosing your login detail from you losing RTW installation disk ? Or you Disk 1 broke ?

Sorry I may have been a little bit confusing
RTW is fine, I have the disk and installed with BI on steam

its ETW, Napoleon that I have lost, I have the ETW disc but not sure as its worth trying as it was registered to a different steam account
TBH not too bothered about them as they are not really to my taste (guns and stuff) but would be pretty miffed if it happened to rome 2

[Greve Af Göteborg]

Steam code I am refering to is the log in code for the steam account itself, changed computer & e mail provider so was screwed

With a disc system this would not have been a problem

You can always mail in a picture of the game disc with the cd-key to prove that you are the owner of the account. I've done that once and they gave me my login details. Basically just take a picture of a cd-key to a game that is bound to your steam account.

[Asuryan]

From where I came from, Steam actually promotes piracy!!!!!

For me, Steam brings more problems than answers, I prefer Origin than Steam, truthfully. But Steam has 1 good thing for me, a game catalog. That's it, that's all it is, a game catalog.

To the reasons why I am not fond of Steam so much, I don't want to connect to the internet all the time, I can't afford to pay for the internet if I have to leave the modem on all the time. (If you love steam, steam lovers, please donate money to pay for my internet, just kidding, but seriously, please do). Besides, it also takes up the bandwidth (again, if you love steam & has good internet, donate some money to me to upgrade my internet & pay for my internet every month) Sometimes I lag playing some mmorpg or simply watching some vids on youtube, all I need to do is turn off Steam & the problem is solved!
When I use Steam, I feel like I have my freedom taken away from me, I want to play the game first then update it later, I don't want to be forced into updates, I know many people here still live with their parents & actually got no job or have lots of spare time. Well I don't, when I'm in my holidays, I want to play my game, not leaving Steam on for a stupid update that takes hours to finish. This is where I prefer Origins, Origins will tell me I need an update & I can refuse to if I don't feel like it or if I want to play the game first. Why can't I play it first before the game have to update? I would like Steam more if the first play, after sale doesn't need to be updated, let me enjoy the game first then update my game, you can take a week to update a stupid game I just bought 5 minutes ago for all I care. Besides, this is something I really missed, back when you have to download the patch on your own, there will be details about what the patches actually did. Now, I have no idea what they did, but for very certain of all my experiences with Steam, some patches actually breaks the game! If I can choose whether I want to update the game or not, I'll have the time to study the patch & decide whether should I download them or not. Seriously, I remembered Wako pirates was a real pain in the early versions, but now, what's a Wako???? Is that even an improvement to the game?
This 1 is the worst problem, but I've been more apologetic towards Steam since it rarely happens now, unable to go offline without internet. This was the reason that makes me hates Steam to it's very core, so much so I actually buy pirated copies & play Origin games for just how much I hate Steam. I know it still happens, but very rarely, so I don't hate it anymore, just really really don't like Steam. Now to the ultimate kicker that replaces this offline reason, I am unable to share my copies to other people. True, I'll buy games on discs over buy it through Steam any day, not only for maintenance & collectible reasons, but sometimes, just sometimes, I want to share good games with friends & people I knew. I did that with RTW, I have introduced many people to the Total War series by allowing them to borrow my discs. I can't do that anymore! Dammit, when I thought I can like Steam now, Steam just gave me another reason not to like it!
Still, I don't see any point of what's so special & important about Steam friends, you have other mediums on that, skype, teamspeak, msn, facebook, in game friends list, it's not a problem & it's not all that important either.
OK, Steam just gave me another reason, after playing with Steam offline & just at the first time with the internet, it screams, wails, & cries like a baby for the internet & for some reason, it acts up & not running anymore. So how is Steam helping anyway?

2 more non Total War-related reasons.
I also play Skyrim & I stuff my Skyrim with gazillions of mods, if I use Steam mods, I can't play them offline, I know this because I have a couple Steam mods, they usually don't work offline because Steam HAS TO "subscribe" them. I have a friend, he downloaded mods by using the workshop, he can't play Skyrim & it drove him nuts. It wasn't my problem because I only download mods from the Nexus.

This was an experiment I've done YEARS ago, back when Steam needs internet all the time, I have lagging issues when I'm playing online games with Steam, my games can run VERY smoothly WITHOUT Steam. Even now, I still prefer downloading clients instead of adding it to my Steam. Even now, I still blame gaming issues on Steam, seriously, my Skyrim crashes when I'm in Tamriel cell, the heck is that?!!!!

If you're still wondering, no, I always encourage them to buy real copies.
But now it's the other way around, you see. People encouraging me to go pirate so I don't need to put up with Steam BS.

For people who complains about not wanting Steam. CA said on the Warcast; R2 WILL BE ON STEAM!!!!
Since Beddow is composing for R2, there is a high chance I will not buy R2 anyway.

[Evan MF]

I can't believe 1/3 of this forum still wants to live in caves. Steam has made a lot of things more convenient: such as social networking with game-friends, patching, not having to use disks, much better integrated multiplayer experience etc. The argument should be in favour of improving steam further, not undoing great progress so that we can go back to the stone age.

[magpie]

I can't believe 1/3 of this forum still wants to live in caves. Steam has made a lot of things more convenient: such as social networking with game-friends, patching, not having to use disks, much better integrated multiplayer experience etc. The argument should be in favour of improving steam further, not undoing great progress so that we can go back to the stone age.

Sorry Evan,
I think you have got the wrong end of the stick regarding this thread.
Its a request for steam to be optional not to get rid of steam.

[ElvenKind]

Steam has 50 million active users with most of the games not requiring any obligatory steam connection.
It's user count has increased at a more rapid rate.

Is it 50 million active users, or 50 million registered accounts?
As my dear LestaT once said, he has a couple of TW games under different steam accounts, so, he is just one active user with more than one account registered at steam... Doesn`t that change the number of how many people are actually on steam? Like, 5 million users with 10 accounts?

The only opinion any business sees is this.

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This is for the first Total War game on Steam which supposly turn away many² fans.

Well, it turned me away, I didn`t need third party to install or update my games, I can do it myself.
While on the other hand, GOG gives you digital copy of the game, and you don`t have to install some GOGworks or similar to play that game or register it, and you can put it on your USB, DVD, external hard disc... so much convenient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com http://www.gog.com/

Easy interactions with friends, sales, great interface, no disk, easy to trade games, no more piracy, Valve makes great games, Gaaabe, and easy to move games around.

And all your steam games tied up to one account... I hope nothing happens to your account.

He never said there was 184000 votes in the poll. Also please stop implying that people are stupid in your posts.

What he was saying was: not many people voted in the poll in comparison to the total TWC population because they couldn't care less about the game being on or off of Steam as it has little effect on them.

There are valid arguments for and against that statement but you decided that you would rather, instead of thinking of valid reasons opposing it, basically just say that he is an idiot most likely in the hope that he will give up trying to talk to you.

I haven`t insulted anyone, where did you see that?

Of course, 66 out of 184 000 people in a gaming forum definentely proves that Steam is not a good system.

His statement was wrong, he should have wrote it better. As from this it stands that 66 people ( who voted for non steam version) are up against 183 934 of those who voted for steam version. As you can check the OP, there is no such number so his statement was wrong. Who says that here on this forum there are 184 000 active users, and that all of them are different persons? Even my cat has a TWC account, and he is among those 176 600 not active users

And there are only around 7 400 ACTIVE users.

I don't know anyone who would not buy a game because its on stream

Well, you just met one...

I don't mean to be rude, I'm genuinely curious, but why are you still here if this is a game you will never play? Or is not bought different to not played?

Who says I`m not gonna play it? I said I WON`T BUY IT or EVEN INSTALL STEAM, but, I have a friend who will buy it, we are almost like a family and I could play at his place...

And yes, we had argues over steam, but nothing that would break up our frienship.

I can't believe 1/3 of this forum still wants to live in caves. Steam has made a lot of things more convenient: such as social networking with game-friends, patching, not having to use disks, much better integrated multiplayer experience etc. The argument should be in favour of improving steam further, not undoing great progress so that we can go back to the stone age.

I don`t see steam as bringing up some higher standards in gaming world... for example, most of your steam games are not yours at all, while my boxed non steam game is mine, cause I DO OWN a physical copy\ DVD of the game. I bought it and have a proof of purchase, no one can take away my DVD game ( unless it is stolen of course ).

1/3 is a small number, don`t you think?

[Dan113112]

I don`t see steam as bringing up some higher standards in gaming world... for example, most of your steam games are not yours at all, while my boxed non steam game is mine, cause I DO OWN a physical copy\ DVD of the game. I bought it and have a proof of purchase, no one can take away my DVD game ( unless it is stolen of course ).

But you cannot resell it. At least I don't think so. There's that nice print on the disc that says "do not lend or make illegal copies." Selling the disc could be seen as infringing on the license agreement as well.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Is it 50 million active users, or 50 million registered accounts?
As my dear LestaT once said, he has a couple of TW games under different steam accounts, so, he is just one active user with more than one account registered at steam... Doesn`t that change the number of how many people are actually on steam? Like, 5 million users with 10 accounts?

I don't I'm in the majority, small minority even. My actions were actually caused by some manic doom preachers about the evil of Steam.. which after a few years turns out to be non existing at all.

[ElvenKind]

But you cannot resell it. At least I don't think so. There's that nice print on the disc that says "do not lend or make illegal copies." Selling the disc could be seen as infringing on the license agreement as well.

Well, it is a tricky thing about not being able to resell it, cause, you see, you were not able to read their EULA before purchasing their game, in other words, unless you buy it, you won`t know what is written in that EULA. They could had put any evil content in it, like, hurt your friend if he uses the game. Are you obligated by law to do so? And, I saw that you will be able to sell steam games too, but, you have a time limit to do so, I think it was 12 hours after you purchase it. That Gabe fellow said it somewhere. And, in EU you will be able to sell your licences. http://www.webpronews.com/you-can-re...europe-2012-07

I don't I'm in the majority, small minority even. My actions were actually caused by some manic doom preachers about the evil of Steam.. which after a few years turns out to be non existing at all.

You actually did a smart thing mate, your games are not all in one basket, if you know what I mean.
There is a chance you can lose one, but not all at once.

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I do not deny that he could have wrote it better, instead he could have used the actual active users in the place of the total number of accounts. His number of 66 was taken from the number of people voting against a Steam RTW2 at the time of him posting, and the 184000 was an approximation of the total number of registered accounts at TWC so he was NOT making numbers up. He should have just used the active users instead.




Now, what I think you didn't realize was that he wasn't saying that 18400 people voted in that poll. Instead he meant that only 70 people from the entire forum went out of their way from to vote in a poll against a Steam RTW2. Everyone else either didn't care so did not vote; voted for Steam RTW2; or did not see the poll so did not vote (majority falls here in my opinion).

Yes, he should have used the active member count. If it was possible the average amount of people to visit the Rome 2 area in a day would be better but I don't think that can be viewed.

This is why I thought that the next sentences you used were insulting especially as both of them are incorrect; they were snide comments with the implications that he is making things up or is just plain stupid. Possibly both.



I have explained in this post why this is incorrect and therefore unjustified criticism.



This was incorrect as he was saying the total number of people that voted against Steam made up less than 1% of the TWC population. This is his calculation (which is correct but can be easily shown that it means nothing as 7400 don't all go to the RTW2 section):

Number voted against Steam ÷ Number of active users x 100

70 ÷ 7400 x 100 = 0.945%

It is less than 1 like he said however irrelevant the figure is. Then you do the same as the comment above but this time replacing "browser" with "math".

He is stil making out numbers cause among those others (for which you say: Everyone else either didn't care so did not vote; voted for Steam RTW2; or did not see the poll so did not vote (majority falls here in my opinion). ) are not automatically on steam`s side as he implied. Maybe among those 183 930 is a big number who are against steam? And I stil haven`t insulted him, I criticised his statement.

I could easily say that only 150 members out of 184 000 on a gaming forum say steam is a good thing.

[Dan113112]

Well, it is a tricky thing about not being able to resell it, cause, you see, you were not able to read their EULA before purchasing their game, in other words, unless you buy it, you won`t know what is written in that EULA. They could had put any evil content in it, like, hurt your friend if he uses the game. Are you obligated by law to do so? And, I saw that you will be able to sell steam games too, but, you have a time limit to do so, I think it was 12 hours after you purchase it. That Gabe fellow said it somewhere. And, in EU you will be able to sell your licences. http://www.webpronews.com/you-can-re...europe-2012-07

There's usually some info about hte EULA on the back of the game. Not all but some. I agree that you should be able to sell or remove your Steam games from Steam. That doesn't mean that you can install it without Steam. It just means that you should be able to remove your hard copy's license from Steam's library. Then, you could sell it or give it to someone else and they could install it on their account.

[Jokern]

He is stil making out numbers cause among those others (for which you say: Everyone else either didn't care so did not vote; voted for Steam RTW2; or did not see the poll so did not vote (majority falls here in my opinion). ) are not automatically on steam`s side as he implied. Maybe among those 183 930 is a big number who are against steam? And I stil haven`t insulted him, I criticised his statement.

I could easily say that only 150 members out of 184 000 on a gaming forum say steam is a good thing.

I was not aware of the amount of active users and that I apologise for. If we follow your logic, if 1/3 of all active users was against Steam, it would be 7400/3 ~ 2466 people.

I'm not gonna post anything more in this thread as my voice will not change your opinion and your argument that I marked in red beats my argument. We can only agree to disagree, as we both are entitled to our own opinions.

And with this, I bid you adieu.

[Lord Uxbridge]

He is stil making out numbers cause among those others (for which you say: Everyone else either didn't care so did not vote; voted for Steam RTW2; or did not see the poll so did not vote (majority falls here in my opinion). ) are not automatically on steam`s side as he implied. Maybe among those 183 930 is a big number who are against steam? And I stil haven`t insulted him, I criticised his statement.

I could easily say that only 150 members out of 184 000 on a gaming forum say steam is a good thing.

He was stating that there was meaning to the results when in actuality there wasn't really any at all. Proven by your last sentence. Personally I think that would have been better criticism of what he said rather than asking if he was using different methods to get the results which is difficult to interpret as criticism in my opinion.