Thousands Kurds mourn the dead PKK members in France, while Erdogan angry demanded answer from French government

[hellheaven1987]

An interesting news, apartly one of founding PKK members, together with other two, were assassined in Paris few days ago, and thousands Kurds are mourning for their death in Paris.

Thousands at memorial ceremony near Paris

Thousands of Kurds have attended a memorial near Paris for three activists shot dead in the city, amid reports of Turkish air strikes on the PKK.

Carrying flags and posters of the three dead women, they followed the coffins across frozen ground to a community centre where they were put on display.

The victims, a senior official in the separatist PKK group and two political activists, will be buried in Turkey.

Jets reportedly bombed PKK targets in Iraq despite peace talks.

Turkish intelligence officials have been talking to Abdullah Ocalan, the jailed leader of the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party), on how to end their armed campaign.

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said his government would never surrender to Kurdish militants but he was cautiously hopeful that the talks could succeed.

Last year saw some of the heaviest fighting with the PKK in decades.

The group, regarded by the US and EU as a terrorist organisation, launched an armed campaign for an ethnic Kurdish homeland in south-east Turkey in 1984.

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Meanwhile, Erdogan questions President Hollande's connection with those Kurdish activists.

Turkey questions Hollande contacts with dead Kurdish activist

Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on French President Francois Hollande to explain why he previously met one of the Kurdish activists shot dead in Paris on Thursday.

One of the three women killed was Sakine Cansiz - a co-founder of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) - a group proscribed by the European Union.

Mr Hollande has said that he and other politicians had regularly met one of the women, without saying which one.

Turkey has fought the PKK for 25 years.

Some 40,000 people have died, but the Paris shootings came as Ankara sought peace talks with the group.

Thousands demonstrated in central Paris on Saturday to demand action over the deaths of the activists who were found shot dead at the Kurdish information centre in Paris on Thursday. According to French media they had been shot in the head or neck.

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Although it is a tragedy, this event does bring a few questions regarding PKK in Europe:

1. It seems that those three are worked legally in France despite their official connection with PKK, which is strange consider EU regards PKK as a terrorist organization. If that so, how three terrorists can work legally in France?

2. It is also quite strange that French President would visit the PKK founding member personally. What is the connection between French government and PKK?

Either way, it is a good thing to see thousands Kurds participate the memorial.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

Let the France phobic joke begin... never got why people make fun of them so.
Its good that the Kurds showed some solidarity...

[Odenat]

And the main question is; who execute 3 women just when Turkey and PKK is in peace talks. Turkey and KRG are allies right now and if these peace talks succeed, both people will win a lot.

Who wins from the terrorism, who wins from the attacks of PKK at SE turkey? The answer of the question will give us the name of the killer.

It's good that this murders brought Turks and Kurds together. The support for peace process is much higher than before. Turkish TVs gave the news just as 3 Turkish women is killed.

For the other questions, there are no easy answers. Every country works for its own interests. What one calls a terrorist, the other calls ally or friend. It happened the same between Asala and France, France only stopped supporting them after Asala militants massacred French civilians at Orly.

[magpie]

It was a brutal murder of three women whoever did it.The murderer,s are reported to have used silencer,s on their weapons and it bore the hallmarks of a professional hit.

Regarding the E.U. and France. Well France has always had a healthy disregard for E.U. inconvenient rulings and suits itself when it needs to.
Unlike some of our nations who bow and scrape to every petty utterance from Brussels.

[hellheaven1987]

But what France gains by supporting PKK?

[Odenat]

But what France gains by supporting PKK?

Power. Power to affect the politics of the region, power they can trade for economic or political advantages.

When i wrote this answer, i understood how much France has to gain from crippling the peace process. Maybe we do not have to look far away to find the murderers. Kurdish leaders pointed fingers to Iran and Syria tough.

[magpie]

I would guess that France is none to keen on Turkey getting a foot in the door of the E.U.
Also it likes to play political games and if the PKK can keep Turkey involved in violence its more than happy.
I would also take its semi alliance with Turkey over the Syrian conflict with a pinch of salt.

[white-wolf]

Those murdered PKK terrorists, three women, belongs the logistical arm of PKK. A possible solution of the Kurd problem of Turkey would sever the reason of existance of PKK. The money sources of PKK are drug trade (heroin, hashash, etc), human trafficking and forced taxation of Kurds at Europe. I am talking about huge, huge, enormous money here. I think there are fractions inside of PKK who do not want any peace progress. Considering there is password controlled lock pn the door where the murder happened and there is no break at the door, I say it is an inside job.

At another news; a Kurdish gun-trafficking mafia lord was murdered at Moscow today.

Those are all after-effects of Turkish-PKK peace talks.

[The Noble Lord]

Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on French President Francois Hollande to explain why he previously met one of the Kurdish activists shot dead in Paris on Thursday.

Is Erdogan being outraged here??

C'mon really, this is unbelievable. He is trully the embodiment of hypocrisy and double standards, it's like he is trying to copy and duplicate British PM's with dirty and pathetic hypocritical behavior. Making speeches to his party activists that "nobody will make us retreat one step" and such militant rhetoric, trying to miniaturize and nullify the Kurdish issue, while at the same time he is promoting and propping up the illegal "country" of Kosovo which is ruled by criminal gangs and warlords. What a dirty hypocrite, excellent student of British PM's and politicians!!

[Odenat]

Is Erdogan being outraged here??

C'mon really, this is unbelievable. He is trully the embodiment of hypocrisy and double standards, it's like he is trying to copy and duplicate British PM's with dirty and pathetic hypocritical behavior. Making speeches to his party activists that "nobody will make us retreat one step" and such militant rhetoric, trying to miniaturize and nullify the Kurdish issue, while at the same time he is promoting and propping up the illegal "country" of Kosovo which is ruled by criminal gangs and warlords. What a dirty hypocrite, excellent student of British PM's and politicians!!

Illegal country of Kosovo? Gangs and warlords? British PM's dirty and pathetic hypocritical behavior ? Look who's talking of hypocrisy.

At the news, French polise have taken 2 kurdish to custody, accused for the murders. Both guys are Kurdish, member of PKK organization.

It seems that PKK executed those 3 women. The reason for execution is not clear yet.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article...9403_3214.html

[white-wolf]

Illegal country of Kosovo? Gangs and warlords? British PM's dirty and pathetic hypocritical behavior ? Look who's talking of hypocrisy.

At the news, French polise have taken 2 kurdish to custody, accused for the murders. Both guys are Kurdish, member of PKK organization.

It seems that PKK executed those 3 women. The reason for execution is not clear yet.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article...9403_3214.html

Those murdered PKK terrorists, three women, belongs the logistical arm of PKK. A possible solution of the Kurd problem of Turkey would sever the reason of existance of PKK. The money sources of PKK are drug trade (heroin, hashash, etc), human trafficking and forced taxation of Kurds at Europe. I am talking about huge, huge, enormous money here. I think there are fractions inside of PKK who do not want any peace progress. Considering there is password controlled lock pn the door where the murder happened and there is no break at the door, I say it is an inside job.

At another news; a Kurdish gun-trafficking mafia lord was murdered at Moscow today.

Those are all after-effects of Turkish-PKK peace talks.

[hellheaven1987]

That was what Erdogan claimed, which Allah knows whether it is true or not.

[Admiral Piett]

Damn. This reminds me of when an IRA leader would engage in talks with Britain, members of his own organization seeing the potential loss of opportunity and resources would have that leader killed and resume their violent campaigns.

PKK is achieving absolutely nothing with their little unprofessional militias. They need to seek autonomy in Turkey through diplomatic means.

[hellheaven1987]

PKK is achieving absolutely nothing with their little unprofessional militias.

While the "professional" Turkish military cannot even stop them.

Currently I only heard Erdogan claims PKK did the assassination, which means it is also perfectly possible Turkey did it.

[Blaze86420]

While the "professional" Turkish military cannot even stop them.

Currently I only heard Erdogan claims PKK did the assassination, which means it is also perfectly possible Turkey did it.

It makes perfect sense for Turkey to eliminate the moderate faction in the PKK, thereby radicalising the rest of the organization and legitimizing their terror campaign. Makes. Perfect. Sense.

[Odenat]

white-wolf, we do not know the reason of the executions yet, it can be money, it can be some fraction who doesn't want peace, it can be some sick love story (Kurds are known to execute women because of cheating! )

While the "professional" Turkish military cannot even stop them.

Well, the professional USA military, with its most powerful weapons and with the help of 20 other nations, is not able to stop Afghan rebels. We are facing the same issue here, a portion of population support them and the area is inaccessible because of mountains. They are not able to do any gains, neither by taking more civilian support or "liberating" even a small fraction of land. We are at the stalemate for 25 years. Each summer, they make some attacks, we strike some targets and they go back to their hiding places when winter comes. And we bomb Northern Iraq a few times a month.

That's why both sides want peace. The average life expectancy inside PKK is only 3 years!

[Admiral Piett]

white-wolf, we do not know the reason of the executions yet, it can be money, it can be some fraction who doesn't want peace, it can be some sick love story (Kurds are known to execute women because of cheating! )



Well, the professional USA military, with its most powerful weapons and with the help of 20 other nations, is not able to stop Afghan rebels. We are facing the same issue here, a portion of population support them and the area is inaccessible because of mountains. They are not able to do any gains, neither by taking more civilian support or "liberating" even a small fraction of land. We are at the stalemate for 25 years. Each summer, they make some attacks, we strike some targets and they go back to their hiding places when winter comes. And we bomb Northern Iraq a few times a month.

That's why both sides want peace. The average life expectancy inside PKK is only 3 years!

It's also the neighboring countries which won't allow more troops to flank behind the mountains. Both in Turkey/Iraq as well as Afghanistan/Pakistan.

[Odenat]

it seems that the execution is done by PKK. The prosecutors is accusing the driver of one of the women for "killing in relation of an terrorist organization". The accused will go before a judge today.

And PKK militants were crying and accusing everybody else. Now, they have stopped speaking and all of them are hiding under the table.

And funniest thing is BDP, which is supposedly a political party, stopped speaking about the incident when it became clear that PKK did it.

Sorry, the source is in French

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article...9845_3214.html

[white-wolf]

I do not want to say "as I said" but.......