Beyond the Dark -RPG HS (SS 6.4)-Sicily and Castille player needed

[invicta]

You offered me a deal and i accepted it all except for trading settlemetns.Should i ask you then if you accept the other part of your own proposal if i don't agree on trading settlements or what?
For those reasons you ARE a backstabber.

Can you read it..
where exactly did you write you accept only the NAP? (which i wouldn't accept..)
I can't see a single line in which you confirm you accept the NAP.
Roftl..
NAP+ exchanging settlements was a whole thing.
You don't get from a deal only the part is more convenient to you, and expect to be valid
Putting in more clearly: the NAP was what I was offering in exchange for swapping settlements.
Or maybe when you go into a shop, you get item, and you refuse to pay the price associated with it, saying you just want to take the item but you refuse the part of paying its price?
ROFTL..
But I shouldn't even mention it. It's obvious your act and your playing dumb..
You knew very well we had no deal going on;and indeed you had everything set to take Durazzo and Arta.
The armies ambushed in Corinth region had a Trebuchet ready to get my fortress, and you ambushed the army near Bari ready to take Durazzo.
Now keep playing your act..the ss are there, for everyone to be seen.

You got greedy and played your foolish strategy and that's the result.
My offer was (as usual) more than generous, but you couldn't see back then.

People get backstabbed all the time just have some fun with it. I've been backstabbed in other games before, there really is no point getting angry or holding a grudge. It's just a game. You might not win but you can still affect the games outcome and situations can change in the future you never know.

And who exactly betrayed/backstabbed him?

[jado818]

People get backstabbed all the time just have some fun with it. I've been backstabbed in other games before, there really is no point getting angry or holding a grudge. It's just a game. You might not win but you can still affect the games outcome and situations can change in the future you never know.

[Lord Luka]

Yes of course NAP + exchange was a whole thing.Now you tell me that.Why tell that before if you can just backstab right?That is so much better.
You are right Invicta.I am stupid for trusting you that you are a fair player and believing you are interested into peace.

[invicta]

Yes of course NAP + exchange was a whole thing.Now you tell me that.Why tell that before if you can just backstab right?That is so much better.
You are right Invicta.I am stupid for trusting you that you are a fair player and believing you are interested into peace.

You're getting more and more ridiculous:
1- You never confirmed you accepted the NAP. Everyone can see that. Now show me your confirmation and stop playing around the circle
2- NAP+Exchange of settlements was obviously a whole deal. Indeed I did the same with the turks:
I offered exchange of settlements+ NAP.
When Bcman3 after accepting the deal, wrote few days later that he wanted only the NAP, I replied to him that it was a whole package and without exchange of settlements there was no NAP, for the same reason liek in your case, I had no interest in having peace with the current situation/political setup

But more importantly..you mentioned your friendly messages towards me: where are such messages?
Lies over lies..

What makes your behavior even more ridiculous, is that we have a section with all the official Diplomatic deals.
All the NAPs I signed are there: strangely, there's no mention of any NAP between me and Sicily..
And add to that, that you mentioned your NAP with Hungary and Venice.
Why didn't you mention the NAP with me, if you really thought you had one?
I don't get why players have to get so low..

Apparently you only sent him a message saying that you don't want to trade settlements, then send a diplomat for ceasefire. Perhaps you should have talked in more detail about your agreements, the bargain was obviously incomplete but you seem to understand that he will still agree to a NAP without satisfying the other part of the deal

He made peace with the Moors, and I had my diplomat right next to his settlement. All he needed to do was send me a message asking for peace. (even if only for the sake of getting trade rights and make so his settlements more profitable)
He spent his money in recruiting more units and ships in Corinth and Thessalonica, but he didn't spend 250 to send me a diplomat for a ceasefire/trade rights from which we would have both benefited.
Anyone can check we were at war even this turn.
And he never requested my diplomat to offer him a ceasefire even though I had a diplomat in Thessalonica right next to his settlement!

[Tonno]

This would look much cooler in role play...

[invicta]

This would look much cooler in role play...

I put it in RP..it just got lost in the previous page my best rp post..
(i guess you didn;t read it?)

[jemdkyl]

Apparently you only sent him a message saying that you don't want to trade settlements, then send a diplomat for ceasefire. Perhaps you should have talked in more detail about your agreements, the bargain was obviously incomplete but you seem to understand that he will still agree to a NAP without satisfying the other part of the deal

[StOuFf]

*gets popcorn*

[jemdkyl]

I'm loving this hotseat.

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[jado818]

[Lord Luka]

I am geting low?What you did was very low!I didn't know it was only a whole deal pack.Othewise i would accept it.I wanted only peace in this HS.Everyone else can tell you that.I had no intentions of fighting a war.Do you really think i would let all my units in the open for you to attack if i knew we were still at war?Thik a bit.And i didn't think i would need to send you any more messages because you were the first to send me one.And as far as i was concerned the deal was made.As far as others are concerned i PM them because they didn't PM me.And that is it.
I didn't even see the diplomatic relations post on 1 page.Neither did i look for your diplomats because i was sure that you would send one to me if you would have it avaiable.And like i said i was rallying my troops because i didn't know the Moorish intentions.And you were the one who warned me about them.

[invicta]

I am geting low?What you did was very low!I didn't know it was only a whole deal pack.Othewise i would accept it.I wanted only peace in this HS.Everyone else can tell you that.I had no intentions of fighting a war.Do you really think i would let all my units in the open for you to attack if i knew we were still at war?Thik a bit.And i didn't think i would need to send you any more messages because you were the first to send me one.And as far as i was concerned the deal was made.As far as others are concerned i PM them because they didn't PM me.And that is it.
I didn't even see the diplomatic relations post on 1 page.Neither did i look for your diplomats because i was sure that you would send one to me if you would have it avaiable.And like i said i was rallying my troops because i didn't know the Moorish intentions.And you were the one who warned me about them.

Don't insult my intelligence, lol.
You said you believed you were at peace, and surely you made peace with the Moors (oh yeah..I spoke with everyone and guess what the Moors told me..), Venice, Hungary and Egypt (it seems I'm the only one you forgot to send a diplomat..lol, what a coincidence..). So why did you keep militarizing yourself, and why you did it in Greece, if you had a NAP with me?
A player who's a peace with everyone, would rather disband than keep recruiting like you did.
I sent you my request of NAP+ exchange of regions before the HS started, and you sent me your answer after you played your first.
Now lets see what you did:

Situation at the start

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On my 2nd turns

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On my last turn

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Now a quiz..can anyone see a path in his moves?

And yet you have to:
A- show me this friendly message of yours. If you don't it means you lied.
B-Show me where you accepted the NAP: if you don, it means you lied.
C-Show me when did I ever confirm it was ok only to take the NAP.

Stop circling around the bush and making such unnecessary drama. You tried to play smart and you were outsmarted. Simple as that.


There's nothing wrong with what you did: you tried to play me, thinking you it would have been easy capture my regions. You miscalculated and mad mistakes. You failed, it happens thousand times. I
I have no hard feelings for that: it's a war game, and it's common to see players attack each others.
But if you keep insisting on such ridiculous lies, then it will be quite difficult to trust you in the future, because of your lies, and I'll have quite hard feelings for having so infamously tried to hurt my reputation just because you're a bad loser and try so to cover your mistakes.(and you're just hurting your reputation with your lies, since my and your message along with the pictures tell quite clear who's lying here)

PS: oh..and stop with this other lie that you left your armies in the open: of the 3 armies you had in the open, o2 were hidden in ambush (hiding from who) and one was barely reachable by me (last tile).

Oh an one last thing: you tried to take me by surprise the same way you did with Genoa twice in the previous RPG.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...3#post10690013
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...8#post10917198

But you chose the wrong opponent in this HS: I have an excellent memory..
Oh and by the way..it seems that Stouff says you can't e trusted too..I guess he must be right:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post10923760

You proved to be an neighbour which can not be trusted and it seems your king suffers from megalomania. The nation of Genoa will not rest until the sicillian people is freed of its crazy king. We will not stand by and watch other italians die.

Oh and I almost lost this jem of your..another lie:

.And i could destroy your armies in my turn if i would want to but i didn't right?

Show me which ' armies' you could defeat..given that you were not even aware of the army hidden in one of my islands (as you cited the rule).Lol..now I'm so curious..

[Makrell]

Please please, use rp discussion, much better than this boring real talk

[Matto16]

So where is now Moors player so that we can continue our hotseat?

[pesto alla genovese]

So where is now Moors player so that we can continue our hotseat?

YES! It's all fun and all, but could we maybe MOVE ON now! Please?

[invicta]

YES! It's all fun and all, but could we maybe MOVE ON now! Please?

Guys it depends on Freakkriek, he needs to post the save and he said he'd need the whole 24hrs..
There's also a problem:
I sent him yesterday morning the save (gmt time) but apparently, the mediafire link was wrong (file:///home/p/Public/BTD_Moors_T3.sav)
So he contacted me yesterday evening (about 20:00) gmt time, and I sent him again the save with the correct link within few minutes
So I don't know when his 24hrs will expire.

[Makrell]

after the second sending obviously

[Lord Luka]

So once again.I made troops because i didn't know Moors intentions and was worried about them thanks to you.Why make in Greece?Because if i made them there the first turn i can still transport them to Italy in time to reinforce and i could still make more of them in Italy if needed.
I only have one diplomat and as far as contacts go almost everyone contacted me with their diplomat buecause i couldn't.I expected you to do the same.
I DON'T disband my troops if not neccesarry.Even in peace.I think i only disbanded my armies once on CoW HS.And at this time i still didn't know if i was going to need them or not.I was at mercy to the Moors who had their army on a fleet i couldn't sink(because i didn't have any of my own) right at my doorstep.
And now i really don't understand what is with this "show me your friendly message".You contacted me and i responded.I thought the deal was made and that that was it so i didn't see the need of contacting you any further.
Like i said before i didn't know it was only all or nothing offer and that is why i wrote to you that i wasn't interested into trading settlements and i ment ONLY not trading settlemets.I should perhaps ask you if that was only all or nothing deal but i really didn't even think about that.I am usually tired from college when i play my turns and read messages so i might read them a bit sloppy sometimes i admit.But not a single thing written here is a lie so stop saying i am a liar.

As far as previous RPG goes i explaind all the reasoning behind my actions to Stouff who was plying Genoa at the time.He can confirm that.

Oh and the army movement.I moved the half stack army in Greece a bit south to make room for the other army.The fact that it ended in the forest was purely coincidential either you believ it or not.I moved the other half stack army in Italy to the south to be able to merge it next turn with the army from Greece.Why to the woods?Once again to hide it in case of any Moorsih spies.At this time freakriek took over Moors.I play with him on 4cornes HS and we are at war there so i am not really sure how will he play his turn here because no offical NAP has been signed between me and Moors yet.I guess you can say i am a bit paranoid but that is how i play.
Here is all the reasoning behind my turns.At this point i don't really care whether you believe me or not.I am done explaining my turns.I know that i wasn't expecting an attack from you because i believed we had a deal and that is why i was upset.

[invicta]

From riches to rags
The jester who once was a king..


The one Sicialian King, has become now the main attraction in the plazas of the cities of half Europe and became main sources of inspiration for his colleagues.

Here's some of his famous quotes..

Offering friendship and then attacking immediately when you can

Lol..
When did you ever offer me friendship?
You never contacted me, I contacted you offering a deal. You refused half of it, and didn't even bother saying you wanted the other half. And hilariously, I had to contact you a second time to get an answer.
And this is for the friendship you offered..

Another quote

And i could destroy your armies in my turn if i would want to but i didn't right?

Lol..which armies could the mighty Sicilian king destroy on the year 1297?
Show the ss of such missed victories..

The once Sicilian King Lord Luka greatly failed as a king, he thought he was smart, and yet he failed miserably..maybe because he failed to read some serious book like the Strategikon.. luckily being passed on by my ancestors,
it was quite easy for me to reveal your lies and your treachery and give you the lesson you deserved so much..


But there's no reason to e sad.. you might failed as a King, but as a jester you seems to have a bright career ahead of you: all the courts in Europe are already laughing at your jokes!

[Lord Luka]

Same old .Offerig a deal and then saying "well you didn't offer me one too",etc.
If you could reach me then i could probably reach you to right?Wtih the 2 armies i was so desperately trying to hide from you?But i guess you don't get that.

So the Norman King just reallised that he should read Basileuses entire message before starting to argue with him since he just found the warning label Basileus was signing under.
Trying to make sense to an idiot really is an impossible thing unless you become one.And the Norman King doesn't mean to become one.The estern empire has once again fallen under a rule of a mad Emperor like Nero once was. History is repeating itslef.