A Suggestion (please read)

[KoS]

hey guys, I have a question... is GSTK actually dead for real this time?

if that's the case, who says we give her one last reboot, just for kicks? perhaps we could rekindle some of that positive energy we had going around 2009-2010 - great RP, unique characters and all that good stuff? those who remember (you know who you are) - you are what made GSTK so unique. I just think it would be a shame if we gave up on it all in the manner we apparently have.

I know times have been tough around here lately, and there may be a good chance I'm beating a dead horse, but I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't believe it could work. there have been at least three occasions that I can recall when GSTK has seemingly died and then, at a single player's suggestion, it was restarted and prospered. never have I been the player who made that suggestion, but perhaps now it's my turn to save this thing of ours. I know I can't be the only one who remains fondly nostalgic of the game in its prime. maybe if we cut it down to the very basics -- with RP at the forefront, a realistic minimum of rules, and the good-natured creative spirit we shared long ago -- maybe we will thrive once more.

the folks who've made GSTK great, and you know who you are... for whatever reason, one by one, we've all eventually decided on other ways to waste our time on the Internet. and, for whatever reason, we've completely given up on our collective brainchild. this may not even get off the ground, but we won't know if we don't try, and it can't hurt to ask: why don't we give it one more chance? and if this time it doesn't work out, we'll lay it to rest, for good.

who's with me?

(if you would be interested in playing, say so! if there is enough support, I'll outline the specifics of my proposal and we'll go from there.)

[Dead Sun]

I might be willing to spend some time trying to get this baby off the ground, but i wouldn't be able to help much. Dissertation, girlfriend and a generally busy schedule leave me with little time. But heck - maybe Gareth Reece-Llewllyn or Derrick Cobham could make a return

[Xion]

Provided I can have Orkney, maybe I'll try this again if it gets going.

[Trot]

I would like possibly try. Seems like cata dropped but I would prefer some where other then England. Have you ever tried Poland. It is a good starting point surronded tons of enemies. It would be really interesting.

[Ace_General]

I would like possibly try. Seems like cata dropped but I would prefer some where other then England. Have you ever tried Poland. It is a good starting point surronded tons of enemies. It would be really interesting.

YES, WE SHOULD GO TO MOTHER POLAND

Though I would have to be king, of the Silesian Piast decent mixed with the von Schwinglers

And rules and feudal obligations would be played much loser

Perhaps could we move to the glory days of the 1500s-1600s, were their was alot of crazy badass going down,

Maybe call it God Save the Rzczpospolita or

Boże chroń Rzeczpospolita!

And you wouldnt have to be poles, you could be any frickin nationality in eastern Europe: Lithuanians, Germans, Ukranians, Cossacks, Jews, Austrians, Muslim Tatars, white Russians the list goes on and on,



What would be a ing badass way to start the game off would be to start it during the Deluge, where The Swedes, Russians, Cossacks and Germans all gangbanded mother poland at once but the Poles came back and kicked their ass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)

Would be a great interesting conflict and would have alot of roles for people to do, like have someone play Khmelnytsky, the leader of the revolting cossacks, have someone else step into the role of the king of poland, then someone else play as Stefan Czarniecki, the polish Hetman or Field Marshal who liberated half of poland from the Swedes by fighting a masterful Guerrilla war(I want to be a Czarniecki type character but have him have von Schwingler and Karwowski blood)

This is just a ing awesome and intense but unsung period of history that would be a BLAST to play

[Lord William]

I wouldn't mind giving it another shot

[m_1512]

There has been a renovation of the RPG staff. Also, this is also a part of discussions there. So, if you have any ideas, please don't just do it for kicks, let's do it for real. Also, please do reach out to the RPG staff for any help/suggestions/requests you might have.

[Ace_General]

If were down to make this, I want ot be king or a Stefan Czarniski type Hetman, now KOS, LW, Balin, you down

Now, KOS, I would want you to be my second in command, a cool character for you would be a polish magnate type dude whos also decended from a di Medici queen who came to poland in the mid 1500s
And I imagine your character would look like this dude, who in real life was a ing Boss in Polish History(Jan Sobieski)



LW, with the Poland RPG, I could see you being a fiery independent minded Armenian-Ukrainian or Lithuanian Hetman who sort of does his own thing and kinda serves as the head of the Orthodox or another non catholic religious group in the Commonwealth. Or you could be the leader of the Lithuanians who were semi indepenent.
This is what I imagine your character would look like lol, this was Prince Jeremi, a lithuanian-Ruthanian magnate who was filthy rich and was sorta the head of the orthodox and eastern peoples


And Balin, I could really see you serving as a foreign Mercenary Captain heading up the Foreign Contingent of the Royal Polish Armies, basically foriegn, usually German or English Mercenaries who provided good heavy infantry, artillery, and specialist support that the Primarily Native polish calvary forces, cossacks, and steppe minorities couldnt provide. Basically, you control the most disciplined and best equipped standing forces in the commonwealth.

Yeah, I want to do a Polish GSTK and take over control of this

Heck here is my character



King Stefan Karwowski the I

Age:54

Bio: A fiery calvary commander of Silesian and Polish decent with roots to the von Schwingler dukes in northern England, Stefan served most of his early life as a mercanary. After seeing the potential danger of the Commonwealths eastern othrodox territories being assorbed by the Muscovite Czar, Stefan lead a royal mission to repair ties with the cossacks and then lead the Polish invasion of Russia. Moscow was occupied and a Czar Pilant to the wishes of the Polish Gentry was put on the throne. After several years, the False Czar was thrown out, but Russia was weakened to the point of not Threatening the commonwealth for a generation and Stefan was a national hero. Karwowski was then appointed Hetman of the Southern Armies and ambushed and annilated at invading army and then lead a campagin that humbled the Tatars.

Several years before the game began, the king died, and in light of his popularity and miltary victories, Stefan ran for the office of King. He did this out of fear at a revived and revanchist russia and an expansionist ukraine on the borders at a time when conflict between the Polish and Catholic nobilty and the Othrodox Ukrainian and Ruthanian Peasents threatend to tear the Realm appart.

King Stepan the I rules to persve the Commonwealth and protect its Golden Liberty from the Predation of more ruthless and absolutist powers like Russia and Sweden. He seeks to keep everyone in the realm united regardless of ethnicity or creed and tries to rule fairly according to Custom and consitution and out of Patriotism to his state

[Trot]

Nah You don't take me from my cav Ace
Any way I'd much rather do early period Poland. the strugles to claim land. Dealing with the curch and most importantly no gunpowder. I firmly believe that gunpowder ruined warfare.

[Ace_General]

Nah You don't take me from my cav Ace
Any way I'd much rather do early period Poland. the strugles to claim land. Dealing with the curch and most importantly no gunpowder. I firmly believe that gunpowder ruined warfare.

Hahahah ok,

But in eastern europe gunpowder didnt really change much, I mean sieges were easier and infantry had some defensive firepower but it didnt really change offensive warfare or the taking and holding of ground

And the church was never really all that strong in Poland, I mean the Catholic church was more interested in the Holy Roman Empire and Polish Leaders more or less ignored the church when they did things they didnt like. Like in Poland, the Church proper never really owned any land(sure their was monasteries, but they stayed out of politics), there was never really any inquisitions or religious persecution(Poland had the largest population of Jews till the 1940's) and actually in the 1400's the Poles passed the Confederation of Warsaw that basically said the Polish State was to be secular and that their was to be no religous persecution

But medieval poland is just boring. Its very much mono-ethnic, and the only real foes are rouge german nobles in the early period, then the mongols and later the Teutonic order. Everyone else is just sorta amphrous unorganized and distant groups of people

But when you go later into the 1500 and 1600's, Poland is much larger and more interesting. You have Poles, Germans, Jews, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Muslim Tatars, Jew's Catholics, Lutherans, a consitutional government, an elected king, actual LEGAL civil wars.

And the eneamies to fight are basically everyone from the Rhine to the Urals. Muscovite Russians, Swedes, Prussians, Danes, Tatars, Ottomans, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Moldavians


And warfare wasnt "ruined" like it was in the west by gunpowder. Its not just boring Pike and Shot push matches, but instead it was still a very much calvary centric affair with infantry only being useful in Seiges and defensive operations.

Balin, I will instead make you Hetman of the Native Royal troops, which is pretty much all winged Hussars and Panceri, which is like medium calvary along with some cossacks

C'mon guys, poland during the glory days of the late 16th early 17th century is WAY WAY WAY WAY more interesting then during the middle ages. Because then it was just another mediaeval kingdom, just with a slight slavic influence which people will do in a cheesy way the first week then ignore

Now Balin, if you continue to obstruct this vison, I will Put on a Kontucz, Zupan, grow a sick mustache, grab a Szlaba and duel you like the honorable polish gentry I am(its actually in my blood, Coat of arms/Rodwa Slepowron, look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Al...n_coat_of_arms)

[Trot]

NOw then that may be interesting but I will wait to see what eberyone else thinks before I call it. All this talk about Poland iss makeing me wan to start a Polish campaign an medieval

[Double A]

I WANT WINGED HUSSARS

[M D]

Burn the forum, spread the ashes, send it prayers. The only route to closure, rinse and repeat if necessary.

[Dirty Chai]

Burn the forum, spread the ashes, send it prayers. The only route to closure, rinse and repeat if necessary.

[Narf]

hey guys, I have a question... is GSTK actually dead for real this time?

if that's the case, who says we give her one last reboot, just for kicks? perhaps we could rekindle some of that positive energy we had going around 2009-2010 - great RP, unique characters and all that good stuff? those who remember (you know who you are) - you are what made GSTK so unique. I just think it would be a shame if we gave up on it all in the manner we apparently have.

I know times have been tough around here lately, and there may be a good chance I'm beating a dead horse, but I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't believe it could work. there have been at least three occasions that I can recall when GSTK has seemingly died and then, at a single player's suggestion, it was restarted and prospered. never have I been the player who made that suggestion, but perhaps now it's my turn to save this thing of ours. I know I can't be the only one who remains fondly nostalgic of the game in its prime. maybe if we cut it down to the very basics -- with RP at the forefront, a realistic minimum of rules, and the good-natured creative spirit we shared long ago -- maybe we will thrive once more.

the folks who've made GSTK great, and you know who you are... for whatever reason, one by one, we've all eventually decided on other ways to waste our time on the Internet. and, for whatever reason, we've completely given up on our collective brainchild. this may not even get off the ground, but we won't know if we don't try, and it can't hurt to ask: why don't we give it one more chance? and if this time it doesn't work out, we'll lay it to rest, for good.

who's with me?

(if you would be interested in playing, say so! if there is enough support, I'll outline the specifics of my proposal and we'll go from there.)

I might be willing to spend some time trying to get this baby off the ground, but i wouldn't be able to help much. Dissertation, girlfriend and a generally busy schedule leave me with little time. But heck - maybe Gareth Reece-Llewllyn or Derrick Cobham could make a return

Provided I can have Orkney, maybe I'll try this again if it gets going.

I wouldn't mind giving it another shot

There has been a renovation of the RPG staff. Also, this is also a part of discussions there. So, if you have any ideas, please don't just do it for kicks, let's do it for real. Also, please do reach out to the RPG staff for any help/suggestions/requests you might have.

Yay I'd love to play this again

Great. IF you do that. Cut the rules to a good foundation stone which we can build onto as the game goes on. Get the old players back, KoS. Then you have my vote. I miss this too. Often. And strongly.

I promish. No Ryn this time around x) Never expected it to live more than a few weeks.

[Trot]

OK you guys scrap this forum. We shall make a polish rpg. Wheather or not we use these mechanics or create completely new ones.

[Stildawn]

No offence to anyone, but I certainly wont come back unless its England lol. Just wouldn't ever be GSTK if it wasnt.

[Ace_General]

No offence to anyone, but I certainly wont come back unless its England lol. Just wouldn't ever be GSTK if it wasnt.

Hmmm I really want to make the polish RPG but if we have that and GSTK, then I dont think either will survive

Though if we redo GSTK, I want the rules to be much more freewheeling. And I want there to be a viable economic system

Edit: I will put off my Polish RPG until we can get GSTK off the ground, hell I love this game as much as all of you if not more

But what I think we really need is someone that can lead the game and have some kind of story and direction to the game. And that conflict between players should be accepted instead of though of as anathema to good RP. In my view what made GSTK great was all the Crisises and stuff and epic civil wars and poltical double crosses

Though can I be king if we do this, in all my GSTK time I never was and I will make the game interesting, even if that means I dont rule for as long as I could

[Stildawn]

I agree dude, rules should be mere guide lines, I would much rather have mods make decisions on things on the fly depending on realisticness rather than set rules.

[Narf]

Prefered mod team. Gainsey. Carl von Dobln. Stildawn and Raglan.