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    And here's London from nearly a hundread years ago



    The daily air quality is literally "over 9000" in terms of pollution according to the US Embassy, and would be declared an emergency situation if it were taking place in another country. Pure insanity.
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    BEIJING — One Friday more than two years ago, an air-quality monitoring device atop the United States Embassy in Beijing recorded data so horrifying that someone in the embassy called the level of pollution “Crazy Bad” in an infamous Twitter post. That day the Air Quality Index, which uses standards set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency, had crept above 500, which was supposed to be the top of the scale.

    So what phrase is appropriate to describe Saturday’s jaw-dropping reading of 755 at 8 p.m., when all of Beijing looked like an airport smokers’ lounge? Though an embassy spokesman said he did not immediately have comparative data, Beijing residents who follow the Twitter feed said the Saturday numbers appeared to be the highest recorded since the embassy began its monitoring system in 2008.

    The embassy’s @BeijingAir Twitter feed said the level of toxicity in the air was “Beyond Index,” the terminology for levels above 500; the “Crazy Bad” label was used just once, in November 2010, before it was quickly deleted by the embassy from the Twitter feed. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, levels between 301 and 500 are “Hazardous,” meaning people should avoid all outdoor activity. The World Health Organization has standards that judge a score above 500 to be more than 20 times the level of particulate matter in the air deemed safe.

    In online conversations, Beijing residents tried to make sense of the latest readings.

    “This is a historic record for Beijing,” Zhao Jing, a prominent Internet commentator who uses the pen name Michael Anti, wrote on Twitter. “I’ve closed the doors and windows; the air purifiers are all running automatically at full power.”

    Other Beijing residents online described the air as “postapocalyptic,” “terrifying” and “beyond belief.”

    The municipal government reported levels as high as 500 on Saturday evening from some monitoring stations. The Chinese system does not report numbers beyond 500. Nevertheless, readings in central Beijing throughout the day were at the extreme end of what is considered hazardous according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency standards. (By comparison, the air quality index in New York City, using the same standard, was 19 at 6 a.m. on Saturday.)

    Pollution levels in Beijing had been creeping up for days, and readings were regularly surging above 300 by midweek. The interior of the gleaming Terminal 3 of the Beijing Capital International Airport was filled with a thick haze on Thursday. The next day, people working in office towers in downtown Beijing found it impossible to make out skyscrapers just a few blocks away. Some city residents scoured stores in search of masks and air filters.

    Still, there was little warning that the United States Embassy reading would jump above 700 on Saturday. Some people speculated that the monitoring system, which measures fine particles called PM 2.5 because they are 2.5 microns in diameter or smaller, might have malfunctioned once it got beyond 500.

    But Nolan Barkhouse, an embassy spokesman, said the monitor was operating correctly.

    It was unclear exactly what was responsible for the rise in levels of particulate matter, beyond the factors that regularly sully the air here. Factories operating in neighboring Hebei Province ring this city of more than 20 million. The number of cars on Beijing’s streets has been multiplying at an astounding rate. And Beijing sits on a plain flanked by hills and escarpments that can trap pollution on days with little wind. Meanwhile, one person hiking at the Great Wall in the hills at Mutianyu, north of Beijing, took photographs of crisp blue skies there.

    Xinhua, the state news agency, reported on Dec. 31 that Beijing’s air quality had improved for 14 years straight, and the level of major pollutants had decreased. A municipal government spokesman told Xinhua that the annual average concentration of PM 10, or particles 10 microns in diameter or smaller, had dropped by 4 percent in 2012, compared with one year earlier.

    Chinese officials prefer to publicly release air pollution measurements that give only levels of PM 10, although foreign health and environmental experts say PM 2.5 can be deadlier and more important to track.

    There has been a growing outcry among Chinese for municipal governments to release fuller air quality data, in part because of the United States Embassy Twitter feed. As a result, Beijing began announcing PM 2.5 numbers last January. Major Chinese cities have had the equipment to track those levels, but had refused for a long time to release the data.

    The existence of the embassy’s machine and the @BeijingAir Twitter feed have been a diplomatic sore point for Chinese officials. In July 2009, a Chinese Foreign Ministry official, Wang Shu’ai, told American diplomats to halt the Twitter feed, saying that the data “is not only confusing but also insulting,” according to a State Department cable obtained by WikiLeaks. Mr. Wang said the embassy’s data could lead to “social consequences.”
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    Air pollution in the Chinese capital Beijing has reached levels judged as hazardous to human health.

    Readings from both official and unofficial monitoring stations suggested that Saturday's pollution has soared past danger levels outlined by the World Health Organization (WHO).

    The air tastes of coal dust and car fumes, two of the main sources of pollution, says a BBC correspondent.

    Economic growth has left air quality in many cities notoriously poor.

    A heavy smog has smothered Beijing for many days, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas, in the capital.

    By Saturday afternoon it was so thick you could see just a few hundred metres in the city centre, our correspondent says, with tower blocks vanishing into the greyness.
    Hazy view

    Even indoors the air looked hazy, he says.
    Pedestrians wearing masks in Bejing on 12 January. Some people are wearing masks

    WHO guidelines say average concentrations of the tiniest pollution particles - called PM2.5 - should be no more than 25 microgrammes per cubic metre.

    Air is unhealthy above 100 microgrammes. At 300, all children and elderly people should remain indoors.

    Official Beijing city readings on Saturday suggested pollution levels over 400. Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

    Once inhaled, the tiny particles can cause respiratory infections, as well as increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease.

    Last year Chinese authorities warned the US embassy not to publish its data. But the embassy said the measurements were for the benefit of embassy personnel and were not citywide.
    Anyone else think the Chinese government needs to be devoting a lot more time and money on emissions standards?

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    Well, that is why Chinese government is pushing alternative energy now, heavily.
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    it must also be noted though, pollution is only half of the problem, the other half is that the desert from Mongolia is blowing in the sand particals, that isn't a pollution (well though man kind was at least partially responsible for the desertfication, which is why they also been trying to figure out ways to recultivate those deserts.)
    1180, an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity in East Asia, it's technology and wealth is the envy of the world. But soon conflict will engulf the entire region with great consequences and lasting effects for centuries to come, not just for this region, but the entire known world, when one man, one people, unites.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    it must also be noted though, pollution is only half of the problem, the other half is that the desert from Mongolia is blowing in the sand particals, that isn't a pollution (well though man kind was at least partially responsible for the desertfication, which is why they also been trying to figure out ways to recultivate those deserts.)
    Goddamn Mongorians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Goddamn Mongorians...
    most of the Gobi desert is actually in China though
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    Yup, I remember some pretty bad days when I lived there, but never this bad. It really has reached "if you're human and you value your lungs, seek life elsewhere" levels.
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    I don't give a , they tore down my city wall.

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    I don't give a , they tore down my city wall.
    With their god damn Mongorian Trojan horse.

    Edit: It makes me sad that he didn't get it. That's my favorite episode.
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    I suppose that is one way to curb population growth albeit a somewhat slow method.
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    ^lol.
    Most of their problems are due to population growth. at least it will decrease over population in Beijing...

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    we industrial revolution now


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    China needs to build taller cities so the upper class don't have to deal with this crap.
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    Anyone else think the Chinese government needs to be devoting a lot more time and money on emissions standards?
    They do. They put a lot of money and time to alternative power (They are one of the biggest producers and users of solar and wind technology)

    Think of it this way. Yes it's worse than 19th Century but why was that brought up? Because every country that underwent such an industrial revolution had the same thing. China in this case had to restart itself from scratch not too long ago and because they are progressing at a faster rate with a massive population it only makes sense.

    When I was visiting central China at the hotels I was staying in they had tons of energy conferences going on in regards to solar and wind power. If you go to Shanghai for example almost every apartment building has a solar panel on top of it. Even the poorer rural areas sell cheap solar powers which most people go for.

    On one hand though I spoke with a guy who works north of Beijing and he said that the new mayor was more gung ho on economy than the previous one (Who was more environmentally friendlier) and as a result the air pollution got worse.

    Eitherway they're going to have to clamp down on this.

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    Yes, it's amazing how inexpensively products can be produced when you don't have to worry about western emission and polution standards, not to mention wage scales. Isn't socialism wonderful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    China needs to build taller cities so the upper class don't have to deal with this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    China needs to build taller cities so the upper class don't have to deal with this crap.
    Or maybe using clean energies more, and have a concrete friendly enviroment policy and laws, it would be a start.
    That way upper and lower class wont have to deal with this crap.

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    Or maybe using clean energies more,
    I already pointed this out so I don't know why people keep ignoring it but...

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...newable-energy

    China already is and has been for awhile.

    and have a concrete friendly enviroment policy and laws, it would be a start.
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    Yes that would be a start.

    The problem with "green tech" is that it creates a lot of pollution. Those chips and glasses aren't exactly environmentally friendly to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I already pointed this out so I don't know why people keep ignoring it but...

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...newable-energy

    China already is and has been for awhile.



    Yes that would be a start.

    The problem with "green tech" is that it creates a lot of pollution. Those chips and glasses aren't exactly environmentally friendly to begin with.
    Yes its a tech in development after all but there is always alternatives, one only realy needs to be willing, but if other major cities in the world can reduce air polution so will be able china im certain of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    China needs to build taller cities so the upper class don't have to deal with this crap.
    this is actually hilarious bravo
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