The straight dope on the Seleucid empire.

[xdrgnh]

I'm tired of some people mostly roman players disrespecting the Seleucid empire by thinking that it's just a faction with a large unit selection but that most units aren't good on high value battles. To address the disrespecting I'm going to smash some myths about the SLE unit roster.

1. First myth and the myth that Rome players like to use a lot. Silver shield legionaries suck and can't stand up to Urbans.

Fact. SSL are some of the economically best units in the game and when it comes to stats they are one of the most powerful. Because they are legion class they have large shields which can defend them against pikes and hold the line for a while. Also like legions they have Pila which is armor piercing and allows them to Pila storm to death most units including pikes and Hoplites (excluding Spartans) before melee is even engaged. But wait urbans like like SSL but have ubbbbberrr stats. Well this is true however the defense increase goes to armor and because pilla is armor piercing in a pila fight usually urbans SSL are kill about the same men. Even in melee the urban will win but it won't be a quick victory. A good Seleucid player will already have won the cav fight with his mighty Cataphracts and then the urbans will die if they don't have any pila left. So SSL can stand up to urbans and hold the line quite nicely and have around the same pila abilities despite the vast stat difference.

2. Urbans can beat Cataphracts head on.

Wrong. Cataphracts with mace can beat Urbans head on if equally upgraded and if Urbans don't get a chance to throw there pila. Because a Urbans defense is mostly armor and shield they lose quickly to Cataphracts and in multi battles Urbans usually use all of there pila before the cav fight starts or they are to busy holding the line against SSL.

3. SLE sucks at skirmishing.

For 31k battles most players can only bring 4 archer Auxila or elite archer unit. Bringing 6 is done sometimes but costs to much money sometimes and takes up other slots. 6 regular SLE archers can easily beat archer auxila if done right. Also a good skirmish player will not try to face a 6 or more auxila with a equal or less number of regular archers so it's not to bad. SLE is only average in skirmishing.

4. Silver Shield Pikes are the SLE best units and should form the back bone of all SLE armies.

False. SSP are not that good mainly because of bad morale and crappy shields. They are vulnerable to archers and last less then SSL against urbans head on on normal scale. Also trusty me if they get caught in Pila storm they will route and die. Even without pila storm they can't hold the line against most other stronger pikes units or even legions. SSP are not the best units the SLE have SSL are.

5. SLE can't beat chariot factions. Chariots are vulnerable to pikes and can't beat SSL head on. Also most chariot factions have bad infantry that won't mean much in a actual fight against SSL or SSP. Even if the skirmish is lost all you need to do to beat chariots is to get them to charge into infantry and they are dead. After that your remaining catas can run wild on the enemy army.

6. Rome overall is better then SLE in large money battles

Hell not for reason I stated before and for the fact that rome only real major advantage which is the Infantry advantage doesn't mean nothing when urbans are getting squashed by gold gold Cataphracts with mace.

I hope this clarifies thinks for you guys.

[xdrgnh]

beat 5 archer auxila I meant to say.

[xdrgnh]

sorry for all of the typos.

[eregost]

[Plant]

I'm tired of some people (who?) mostly roman players disrespecting disrespecting an online faction in a game??? the Seleucid empire by thinking that it's just a faction with a large unit selection but that most units aren't good on high value battles. (Define high value battles please). To address the disrespecting disrespect how? I'm going to smash some myths that you decided just now about the SLE unit roster.

1. First myth and the myth that Rome players because clearly players are only allowed to use one faction, like a football team like to use a lot. Silver shield legionaries suck and can't stand up to Urbans. They really do suck compared to Urbans.

Fact. SSL are some of the economically best units in the game and when it comes to stats they are one of the most powerful. (Except that urbans are better, especially in cost effectiveness.) Because they are legion class (legion class?) they have large shields which can defend them against pikes and hold the line for a while. (Like Urbans! Only worse.) Also like legions they have Pila which is armor piercing (like Urbans! Only worse) and allows them to Pila storm to death most units (like Urbans! Only worse) including pikes and Hoplites (excluding Spartans) (especially Spartans!) before melee is even engaged. But wait urbans like like like SSL but have ubbbbberrrrrrrrrrr stats. Well, this is true, however the defense increase goes to armor and because pilla is armor piercing, in a pila fight, usually urbans and SSL are kill about the same men. (Wrong.) (Btw, are you aware that Urbans have a massively increased pila attack?) (Btw, they say that grammer helps understanding.) Even in melee the urban will win but it won't be a quick victory. A good Seleucid player will already have won the cav fight (why cav fight if your opponent knows they are going to lose?) with his mighty Cataphracts (mighty Cataphracts!) and then the urbans will die if they don't have any pila left. (Poor theory crafting. What if you don't win the cav fight? What if your Legionaries don't hold up the urbans long enough? If it was that easy then surely there wouldn't be any "myths".) So SSL can stand up to urbans and hold the line quite nicely and have around the same pila abilities despite the vast stat difference. I respectfully disagree. In principle.

2. Urbans can beat Cataphracts head on. Says who?

Wrong. (If you say so, whoever you are.) Cataphracts with mace can beat Urbans head on if equally upgraded and if Urbans don't get a chance to throw there pila. (But what if the Urbans outnumber you?) Because a Urbans defense is mostly armor and shield (I don't think sheild is affected by AP) they lose quickly to Cataphracts and in multi battles Urbans usually use all of there pila before the cav fight starts or they are to busy holding the line against SSL. (They wouldn't be holding the line. They will be outright winning vs Silver Sheilds)

3. SLE sucks at skirmishing.

For 31k battles (Oh, now you decide the money for the game? You waited for point 3 for this? Halfway through the piece? What have I written? Maybe it isn't valid for 31k!) most players can only bring 4 archer Auxila or elite archer unit. (Why? Why would they bring 4 of these? Most people have trouble fitting 1.) Bringing 6 (Wtf!) is done sometimes but costs to much money sometimes (31k, cheap unit costs too much money, logic?) and takes up other slots (Does it costs too much money or take up too many slots? You just contradicted yourself). 6 regular SLE archers can easily beat archer auxila if done right. (Done right how? Don't make random assertations of this sort, and then don't explain how.) Also a good skirmish player (at 31k???) will not try to face a 6 or more auxila (Why are there 6 or more auxilia in 31k?)with a equal or less number of regular archers so it's not to bad. SLE is only average in skirmishing.

4. Silver Shield Pikes are the SLE best units (At what money and rules? 31k No rules again?)and should form the back bone (What is this backbone you speak of? Sounds like trash) of all SLE armies.

False. SSP are not that good mainly because of bad morale and crappy shields. They are vulnerable to archers and last less then SSL against urbans head on on normal scale. Also trusty (trusty!) me if they get caught in Pila storm they will route and die. Even without pila storm they can't hold the line against most other stronger pikes units or even legions. SSP are not the best units the SLE have SSL are.

5. SLE can't beat chariot factions(I like straws too). (Seleucid is a chariot faction) Chariots are vulnerable to pikes and can't beat SSL head on. (Oh really? What unit size are you playing on?) Also most chariot factions have bad infantry (Like Selecuid! Though Seleucid has the best heavy infantry of the lot.) that won't mean much in an actual fight against SSL or SSP. Even if the skirmish is lost all you need to do to beat chariots is to get them to charge into infantry and they are dead (what if your opponent isn't a total idiot and charges into your might cataphracts?). After that your remaining catas can run wild on the enemy army.

6. Rome overall is better then SLE in large money battles (What money specifically? Anyhow, I beleive Sele is commonly regarded as a viable high money faction, along with Greeks)

Hell (disjointed) not for reason I stated before (mixed up words) and for the fact that rome (please use grammar) only real major advantage which is the Infantry advantage doesn't mean nothing (anything) when urbans are getting squashed by gold gold Cataphracts with mace. (Probably the only thing you said that made some sense this sentence.)

I hope this clarifies thinks for you guys. (Many thinks was clarified on this day.)

Try defining your money, rules and unit sizes first, if you want to be taken seriously.

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[CACRA]

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isnt there a rule against autistic faggotness on this forum?

[King of the Ring]

I'm tired of some people mostly roman players disrespecting the Seleucid empire by thinking that it's just a faction with a large unit selection but that most units aren't good on high value battles. To address the disrespecting I'm going to smash some myths about the SLE unit roster.

1. First myth and the myth that Rome players like to use a lot. Silver shield legionaries suck and can't stand up to Urbans.

Fact. SSL are some of the economically best units in the game and when it comes to stats they are one of the most powerful. Because they are legion class they have large shields which can defend them against pikes and hold the line for a while. Also like legions they have Pila which is armor piercing and allows them to Pila storm to death most units including pikes and Hoplites (excluding Spartans) before melee is even engaged. But wait urbans like like SSL but have ubbbbberrr stats. Well this is true however the defense increase goes to armor and because pilla is armor piercing in a pila fight usually urbans SSL are kill about the same men. Even in melee the urban will win but it won't be a quick victory. A good Seleucid player will already have won the cav fight with his mighty Cataphracts and then the urbans will die if they don't have any pila left. So SSL can stand up to urbans and hold the line quite nicely and have around the same pila abilities despite the vast stat difference.

2. Urbans can beat Cataphracts head on.

Wrong. Cataphracts with mace can beat Urbans head on if equally upgraded and if Urbans don't get a chance to throw there pila. Because a Urbans defense is mostly armor and shield they lose quickly to Cataphracts and in multi battles Urbans usually use all of there pila before the cav fight starts or they are to busy holding the line against SSL.

3. SLE sucks at skirmishing.

For 31k battles most players can only bring 4 archer Auxila or elite archer unit. Bringing 6 is done sometimes but costs to much money sometimes and takes up other slots. 6 regular SLE archers can easily beat archer auxila if done right. Also a good skirmish player will not try to face a 6 or more auxila with a equal or less number of regular archers so it's not to bad. SLE is only average in skirmishing.

4. Silver Shield Pikes are the SLE best units and should form the back bone of all SLE armies.

False. SSP are not that good mainly because of bad morale and crappy shields. They are vulnerable to archers and last less then SSL against urbans head on on normal scale. Also trusty me if they get caught in Pila storm they will route and die. Even without pila storm they can't hold the line against most other stronger pikes units or even legions. SSP are not the best units the SLE have SSL are.

5. SLE can't beat chariot factions. Chariots are vulnerable to pikes and can't beat SSL head on. Also most chariot factions have bad infantry that won't mean much in a actual fight against SSL or SSP. Even if the skirmish is lost all you need to do to beat chariots is to get them to charge into infantry and they are dead. After that your remaining catas can run wild on the enemy army.

6. Rome overall is better then SLE in large money battles

Hell not for reason I stated before and for the fact that rome only real major advantage which is the Infantry advantage doesn't mean nothing when urbans are getting squashed by gold gold Cataphracts with mace.

I hope this clarifies thinks for you guys.

[Lancy]

I think there's a rule against directly insulting people or something - attack the post, not the player or some such. Plant's response was relevant to what was posted. He just didn't have kid gloves on when he gave it.