Just an idea - Spy missions

**bestantreas** · August 10, 2006, 05:26 AM

My idea is, to have special spy missions, which you will take command over your spy in 3rd person mode, and go into an enemy city equiped with bow or a short knife. I mean something like theft.
If you have to kill someone you shall quitely go into the palace and kill the guards and then the king!
Or in the night, to go into an enemy castle and burn it! It should have a big difficulty to burn down a whole castle offcourse. :wink:
How does it sound to you?

**Kanfoosh** · August 10, 2006, 05:32 AM

Thats an assassins job, and unless you give them enough time to make another game and make you pay double price your not getting it, its like asking them to create medieval splinter cell

**Barbarian-Bob** · August 10, 2006, 05:42 AM

While we won't be seeing it any time soon, I like your idea. And it might be possible through a mini-game, ala sneaking into town in Sid Meier's: Pirates!

**Lord Janos** · August 10, 2006, 05:49 AM

I like the idea... but on the other hand, this is a turn based/real time strategy game. I would rather they focused on the important aspects of the game - such as improving on the dire R:TW (it was in comparison to M1TW) - than waste time making a minigame that i will play once and leave to my assassins after that. It doesn't add to gameplay, and personally i'm happy with assassin videos. There's no need for this feature, and all it would do is hinder the development in other aspects of the game.

**Barbarian-Bob** · August 10, 2006, 07:01 AM

Absolutely. I was just saying that if they were to ever do it, it would have to be something like that, because that would be just about as much as they can/should do.

**bestantreas** · August 10, 2006, 08:09 AM

You are all right.
Maybee in a later expansion or an add-on.

**victor.** · August 10, 2006, 08:47 AM

anything close to 3rd or 1st persion action in tw games wouldn't really make it a tw game. people who would buy this game for strategy would be bummed when they had to play the assasin missions to make it successful, just like people who want to play a 3rd person style game would be ****** if the other half of the game was boring strategy.
the idea just doesn't work. you'd have a campaign map to accommodate the battlefield, and the battlefield to compliment the campaign map...but the assasin idea is just too far along the lines of something else.

**~~Miraj~~** · August 10, 2006, 08:54 AM

There's an awsome game called "Assassin's Creed" coming out soon. You play an assassin inspired by the "hashishin" muslim cult that was formed during the Crusades. You get to go into Crusader and Muslim states and assasinate warlords and kings and the like. It looks really cool:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/p...ins/media.html

**Shaun** · August 10, 2006, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by bestantreas

My idea is, to have special spy missions, which you will take command over your spy in 3rd person mode, and go into an enemy city equiped with bow or a short knife. I mean something like theft.
If you have to kill someone you shall quitely go into the palace and kill the guards and then the king!
Or in the night, to go into an enemy castle and burn it! It should have a big difficulty to burn down a whole castle offcourse. :wink:
How does it sound to you?

Theif games anyone?
I dont think that this is really practical, as once the player had gotten pretty good at these missions I doubt that they will ever lose one, thus making high valor spies usless and pointless. Its much the same as giving the player comman od a single unit in 3rd person, a single peasant would end up killing whole legions of Preatorians, not even remotely historically accurate, adn far too far fetched.
The whole point of a strategy game is that you make the best tactics and strategy possible so your men can win, giving control of your men to the player would take away the tactics and encourage melee fighting with no strategy, not what stratefy games are about.
If you want a game like this, play thief or an FPS os something.

**bestantreas** · August 10, 2006, 11:46 AM

I want a mix of RTS like TW games, with 3rd/first person. To be just the general of your army. Not a totally FPS. And I don't want my general to be able to destroy a whole army. He should die as everybody else in the army.
I thought that assasin/spy mission were good to be included in such game. I just said what's my idea.

**Kanfoosh** · August 10, 2006, 12:15 PM

Dog of war allows you play in a 3rd person view while being an RTS, very fun actually but what you are suggesting requires a whole new game

**Boudicca** · August 10, 2006, 03:29 PM

I think it would still be a TW game if you had a select button to chose whether you wanted to do the mission in person or otherwise. And RTW becoming a "shooter" game could easily be prevented. However...I don't think we are going to see total war with Oblivion single person graphics...

**Trajan** · August 10, 2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Boudicca

However...I don't think we are going to see total war with Oblivion single person graphics...

Could you imagine such a game?

**Simon total war** · August 10, 2006, 04:49 PM

I had the same idea !!!!!!
that would be cool !!!!

mabye in Rome 2 total war :wink:

**MadeManG74** · August 10, 2006, 07:49 PM

If youre interested in 3rd Person Action/Adventure mixed with strategy. i think it was Rise and Fall or something along those lines that came out recently that had you able to control the General to fight in the battle, and of course Kingdom under Fire, that was a great game. Thing is though, when you make the game 3rd person as well, the strategy part really suffers usually, the idea sounds good on paper, but a lot of people want either a strategy game or an adventure game, not both, i wouldnt write it off completely though, given enough time im sure someone could make something that works

**bestantreas** · August 10, 2006, 11:12 PM

I played the demo of Rise & Fall, I can't compare it with RTW. For me, RTW is the best game. Also, Rise & Fall needs a really strong PC to play it smoothly without lag.

**Beiss** · August 11, 2006, 04:07 AM

I don't like the idea at all. What I do like is that it seems that in M2TW the spies can actually be used to find out what the enemies' plans are - if they are planning to betray your alliance, attack you, attack someone else, what city they plan on conquering, what units and buildings they are currently producing, etc. Or so I heard they could. Can anyone confirm this?

**MadeManG74** · August 11, 2006, 04:39 AM

Hmm i havent heard that but it would be interesting, i liked that they spread unrest in RTW, as well, but i think it could be taken a step further, id love to see Spies be allocated a mission in a city, like spread a certain religion, so that when you conquer the city, you dont have to deal with the hassles of conversion youself, and just roll up destroy the pagan temple, then watch the populace love you. Although to be that successful you would expect a very skilled or large number of spies.