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    Default Cuban Monarchic Dictatorship to assure Democractic Transition in Venezuela

    It all started when Hugo Chavez decided to run for president knowing that He had advanced Cancer, to then win (fraudulently) then start running the country from an hospital bed in Cuba for months or maybe just enjoying a Zombie reunion with Fidel Castro.

    Chavez is being treated in complete secrecy in Havana and nobody knows of his real status and He might be dead for all we know, thus there seems to be a power dispute between his underlings and the opposition doesn't like the unconstitutional Idea of being ruled by a dead corpse either or having them perform a Constitutional coup having transition after Chavez corpse assume power and then transfer it to one of his underlings. But then comes Cuba to the rescue !

    Not only has is there a substantial Cuban military component in Venezuela, but offered Himself as guarantor of stability in Venezuela by brokering transition deal and installing such Democratic institutions such has a Politburo, composed of course only of Chavez Loyalists.

    Brazil, that country whose ruling party really don't like Dictators, said that they "can't interfere in internal affairs of Venezuela", contrary to their intervention in favor of Chavez a few years back, in Honduras and Paraguay. They probably can't find time between Castro butt kissing sessions to protest. I am sure that PT always supporting the wrong people is a coincidence.

    This also increase Cuba ties with the FARC drug dealers from Colombia, since these latter chaps depends on Venezuela for part of their logistical needs.

    People like to complain of American Big stick foreign policy of the 1920's, but yet seems awfully quiet to the new foreign policy reality of South America : Havana Small Stick, because size doesn't matter.


    Any comment on Cuban Imperialism ? Discuss ?

    PS: Cuban involvement in Venezuela is also not entirely ideological, Carracas gives away oil to Havana as a form of subsidies for years now. So it is literally imperialism and oil stealing all at once.

    A country that 200 years ago it became independent from the yoke of Spain, now becomes a hostage and an island colony of miserable, frozen in time 54 years ago and that has enslaved the 11 million inhabitants.

    On Saturday, January 5, Diosdado Cabello was ratified as president of the National Assembly. What would be a legislative act normal in any country, has become more a platform for the deification of Chavez, being present to act the Vice President Nicolás Maduro and a large crowd of activists that formed outside the Assembly, the invitation of the leaders of the PSUV. Cabello took this occasion to reiterate its "excellent relations" with Maduro, united around the "commander" when everyone knows that this is nothing more than a theater for the people who are not aware of the fierce infighting between them. Ripe, fearing competition from Cabello, made ​​contacts with the United States back to the DEA, as a way to intimidate him recognized for his involvement with the drug trade and the 5 processes that now rest comfortably at the bottom of a drawer somewhere.


    The Brazilian government said it will not pronounce about the blow to the Constitution, because "this is an internal matter of Venezuelan politics." The same "internal matter" has not served in the case of Honduras and Paraguay

    As I had already mentioned on other occasions, Maduro is the "anointed" of Chavez and Castro to Chavez because he is faithful and obedient to the orders of Havana. He is the only one who has access to CIMEQ to doctors who care for Chavez and is fully informed of their clinical status. Cabello, on the contrary, despite being 100% since Chavez first hour, corrupt, involved in drug trafficking and supporter of socialism of the XXI century, is, like most military nationalists, and not allow the interference of any country on Venezuela. And that "no" is included, especially Cuba.

    http://www.midiasemmascara.org/media...qcoloniaq.html
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    It is what it is. Good deal for Cuba. Venezuela has always been a resource bank ever since the time of the Spanish crown...though I am sceptical how much a country like Cuba can maintain a hold over Venezuela. Venezuela seems like a much more powerful country to me and that any Cuban hold would be weak at best. Cuba is an isolated island country that is poor. Venezuela is a large country with many resources. I'd think it be the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    It is what it is. Good deal for Cuba. Venezuela has always been a resource bank ever since the time of the Spanish crown...though I am sceptical how much a country like Cuba can maintain a hold over Venezuela. Venezuela seems like a much more powerful country to me and that any Cuban hold would be weak at best. Cuba is an isolated island country that is poor. Venezuela is a large country with many resources. I'd think it be the other way around.
    The problems of thinking of everything in terms of resources balances is that you lose sight of the political realities at play here.

    1- Cuba is the ideological parent of Chavez & Co.
    2- The size of Venezuela doesn't matter because everything that matters is neatly near the coast and Cuba is simply maintaining Castro power machine in place (Basically helping one portion of the Venezuelan public to terrorize the other portion). So with that in mind the "effective political" size of Venezuela is reduced.
    3- Chavez has been using Cuban expertise on military and Dictatorship for some years now, this expertise is even more valuable now that there is a constitutional crisis.

    Also least but not lest the Power behind the throne is the power, if Havana is brokering a Venezuelan succession process then they are are the real power at hand here.
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    Well, it is difficult now to know what would Venezuela happen if Chavez was dead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Well, it is difficult now to know what would Venezuela happen if Chavez was dead...
    Not having Female Judges illegally detained and raped in prison for refusing to carry out Legal persecution of Chavez enemies would be a good start.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/wo...ison-rape.html
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    Either way, a Venezuela that is close to Brazil or Cuba would benefit US none, as one is neutral and has been trying to pull South America out of US influence, while another is more US' imaginary bogey man.
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    It's been pointed out in other media that losing Venezuela's subsidized oil imports would be catastrophic for Castro's Cuba, so it's in their interest that there is a smooth transition to an ideological successor to Chavez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    It's been pointed out in other media that losing Venezuela's subsidized oil imports would be catastrophic for Castro's Cuba, so it's in their interest that there is a smooth transition to an ideological successor to Chavez.
    They are basically doing War for Oil right.
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    Probably a bit more complex, whereas I heard some Cubans complain about labour exploitation, it does give an opportunity to leave the island, as well as an attempt to exercise soft power instead of being seen as a military or subversive threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Probably a bit more complex, whereas I heard some Cubans complain about labour exploitation, it does give an opportunity to leave the island, as well as an attempt to exercise soft power instead of being seen as a military or subversive threat.
    Which is all cute for Cubans, but what about the Venezuelans ?

    Part of the population has been persecuted and ostracized by Chavez for years, now they have to put up with the humiliation of foreign intervention too and have no say in how the country governed.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Source that Chavez victory was fraudulent (an independent source, not one with any ties to the US or any multi-national corporation)

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    Assuming the polls weren't rigged in Chavez's or his successor's favour, it would indicate that Venezuela is going through a transition; how things look at the end of that, is going to dictate the fate of ordinary Venezualans for the next one or two decades.TBF, before Chavez things weren't that rosy either.
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    Me, I'm your source. I live in this freaking country and I can assure your he didn't won in a fair race. Even if the votes weren't directly meddled with, he still bought many votes by threating public employees with losing their jobs or paying with money (around 100 American bucks, yeah people is that cheap here) per vote. I know this because I know both people that where coerced to vote and people that voted for him for 1000 Bolivares, enough to buy a lot of alcohol.

    The situation here right know is really problematic and now we have to add up the fact we are governed by a ing zombie, yeah, go communism go.
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    Let's wait until they embalm the body, build a mausoleum and plant a glass coffin.
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    The perpetual waiting on him that the congress declared just yesterday is illegal and unconstitutional. The constitution clearly states the guy must be sworn to receive the presidency, and if he's not fit to do it, no problem, he can have 90 days (3 moths) to get his together and come to get the job. If on the course of those 90 days the guy can't make it the congress can give him an additional 90 days to get better and come to receive the job. That's a total of 6 months to receive the charge of president, I think more than enough if he is actually going to make it and be back in condition of ruling.

    So if the constitution clearly states that the guy has 6 months, half of a ing year, to get well enough to receive the office (hell he could do it on a wheelchair if he must), then why the ing congress says they will wait for him infinitively, going against the very clear constitution?

    It's yet another blow against the constitution and this country they are performing simply because they can.
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    Lol American Chavez haters.
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    How is Cuba imperialist if America isn't? Cuba has no invasion plans for Venezuela as far as I can tell.

    How many countries have America invaded in the past decade compared to Cuba?

    Why are Americans so "butt-hurt" about the fact that Cuba and Venezuela are supposedly Communist nations when their system is deemed a failure by these same Americans anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armchair Revolutionary View Post
    How is Cuba imperialist if America isn't? Cuba has no invasion plans for Venezuela as far as I can tell.

    How many countries have America invaded in the past decade compared to Cuba?

    Why are Americans so "butt-hurt" about the fact that Cuba and Venezuela are supposedly Communist nations when their system is deemed a failure by these same Americans anyway?

    Non issue. Let's all just get along.
    Maybe you should read what Lord Baal, who actually lives there, has to say.

    We haven't invaded any south American countries, so you can do without that bull- rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Maybe you should read what Lord Baal, who actually lives there, has to say.

    We haven't invaded any south American countries, so you can do without that bull- rhetoric.
    We're discussing imperialism here. If someone accuses Cuba of imperialism (when it has a fairly isolationist foreign policy for the moment) then so is America. Pot, meet kettle. Why are we having such a discussion?

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