Is it too easy to make modern art?

I mean, always there is some guy trying to make a painting, piecing together scraps of metal or whatever, and calling it art. Especially with paintings it seems so pointless. All you have to do is clash some painting here and there, and just to top it off, you call it "No Name" so that people can interpret it themselves, when we all know that the artist himself has no idea what he has just painted!

It would all be alright if some of these so called artists did it out of their own expense, but the government is actually funding some of these loonies.

Anyone else agree, disagree?

since I am bit of painter... I agree with you tatally... do you know what they like to say among themselves? a modern artist says:

after several years at art school I will need to forget all the stuff they thought me - proportions, colour balancing etc, so that I may make 'modern art'

I didn't mean to offend you (you were a painter, though from your post, I take it not a "modern artist") or anyone else when I posted this, but I thought it might be interesting to see what others thought of the subject.

BTW, that is a good post and quote. It shows the attitude some of them have.

but you didn't... I told you I agree with you totally! most of the modern art is an offense to my eyes... but it's only my opinion if anyone is insulted by it... I am sorry
Bob, I am with you on this!
edit: and I am no professional painter, just like to paint stuff on my spare time... so to say 'a relaxation method'

LOL, sorry I must've completely misundersood. I would've put a headslap smiley here if I could find one...

I am glad that someone agrees. I'm thinking, no one dares to say that they don't understand what artists are doing, because that might be perceived as, unintelligent, unimaginative, or that they just don't understand art. I think there's a lot of snobbery in art, but then that's just the proletarian in me speaking!

oh no... you are completly right, in fact this snobbery extends far over the borders of art! take a look at wine connoisseurs, or pipe tabacco lovers... it is all overhauled! I smoke pipe tabacco, I love french wine, but all this bragging about tasting the 'subtle touch of PORK*****' in the wine is making me puke... can't we just enjoy the stuff. and btw it is this 'connoisseur' stuff that makes the excuse for most of uneducated, money rich, pompous ppl who know nothing about the art...
WITH AAAAAALLLL due respect... no offence meant!

I agree with you 100%? People like Van Gogh, they were artists, they had skills. Today (most)modern art doesnt involves skills anymore, just trying to give the "piece of art" a history/idea behind, so people would "understand" the piece.

I agree, is a unmade bed with a light turning on and off art? NO!

Heh, didn't the Letterman show do a segment once where Letterman had to guess if a painting was painted by a money or a real artist? Just goes to show how some of them artists paint.

I agree completely. What passes as art today is complete abstract :wub:*. For example, painting a black dot inside a White square these days would probably be considered a masterpiece. Oh my God I like how you emphasized mans black soul escaping from... Zzzzz....

An exaggeration maybe, but not far off from what I've seen. I wouldn't pay £5 for any of that :wub:*. Well no, maybe I would. Then I'd sell it on for millions to gullible upper class snobs so they can increase their social prestige by lining their walls with rubbish.

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what the crap...ohhhh...I see...it's French...that explains it all....

Originally Posted by Kaznecki

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what the crap...ohhhh...I see...it's French...that explains it all....

That piece urinates on the good name of artists everywhere. Literally. How does a piece of crap like that beat Picasso? Not that I'm a big fan, but art has certainly gone down the toilet... Ha ha... har...

I hate Miro.



That's a set of 3. The other 2 are just very slightly different lines.
They call it a metaphor for something, I call it what it really is. A waste of paper.

I could moan about Miro all day. I hate him.

Originally Posted by God

I hate Miro.



That's a set of 3. The other 2 are just very slightly different lines.
They call it a metaphor for something, I call it what it really is. A waste of paper.

I could moan about Miro all day. I hate him.

What a waste of paper,lead, and people's time... I can't believe people look at this stuff and call this art, I could **** on a wall and call it art...oh wait...I'm sure somebody already has...

It's easy for people to make modern art if they do not understand it. The fact is that what someone is expressing, took him/her a long time to imagine and appreciate, and just because it is simple shouldn't detract from it.

Originally Posted by Prarara

It's easy for people to make modern art if they do not understand it. The fact is that what someone is expressing, took him/her a long time to imagine and appreciate, and just because it is simple shouldn't detract from it.

I could pick out 'metaphors' in a 5 year old's drawing. It really isnt that hard to find a theme like 'time' or 'life' etc, draw a few lines and pick out 'metaphors' to do with that theme from it.

What do you see when you see Miro's 'masterpiece' then?

And another thing, it is possible for a painting to have a meaning and take a long time to imagine and look good at the same time. That takes skill; that is real art. Anyone could do this.

Originally Posted by Prarara

It's easy for people to make modern art if they do not understand it. The fact is that what someone is expressing, took him/her a long time to imagine and appreciate, and just because it is simple shouldn't detract from it.

But it's a line on a page... someone is making money out of a line on a page... that's criminal.

That's criminal if you don't understand it. It is criminal if the person did that without any feeling, but he/she meant it, then it really is worth that, at least to the person.

Read Breakfast of Champions, if you'd like to know where I am comming from.

Originally Posted by Prarara

That's criminal if you don't understand it. It is criminal if the person did that without any feeling, but he/she meant it, then it really is worth that, at least to the person.

Read Breakfast of Champions, if you'd like to know where I am comming from.

I see where you're coming from here, but what "abstract art" does is make everyone who wants to be an artist an artist. That's really not how it's supposed to be. A so called abstract artist can throw any piece together in a matter of hours and sell it off to a so called intellectual as an expression of his tortured mind whereas your classical artist labours for months to create a masterpiece.

There is simply nothing beautiful about a pile of coal on the ground, a smattering of paint on a wall, a urinal with some writing or a line across a page. Art is supposed to be enjoyed by all, but what abstract art does is alienate people, creating a so called "elite" who supposedly understand it.

It's all motivated toward personal prestige rather than a true appreciation, like landscape paintings of the environment, or beautiful portraits. I just don't see the love in it. Modern Art is a rediculous market filled with elites who fancy themselves as superior beings with massive intellects because they understand the huge signifiance of a unrinal with some writing on it!

Originally Posted by The General

I see where you're coming from here, but what "abstract art" does is make everyone who wants to be an artist an artist. That's really not how it's supposed to be. A so called abstract artist can throw any piece together in a matter of hours and sell it off to a so called intellectual as an expression of his tortured mind whereas your classical artist labours for months to create a masterpiece.

There is simply nothing beautiful about a pile of coal on the ground, a smattering of paint on a wall, a urinal with some writing or a line across a page. Art is supposed to be enjoyed by all, but what abstract art does is alienate people, creating a so called "elite" who supposedly understand it.

It's all motivated toward personal prestige rather than a true appreciation, like landscape paintings of the environment, or beautiful portraits. I just don't see the love in it, Modern Art is a rediculous market filled with elites who fancy themselves as superior beings with massive intellects because they understand the massive importance of a unrinal with some writing on it!

Well perhaps then all art should be free. Commercialism tends to spoil many things, rap, jazz (smooth jazz is the bane of music), and aesthetic art.