"Sexually moral" hypocrites

[removeduser_4536284751384]

It seems to me that the people who believe most in conservative sexual morals are the most sexually immoral people in the world.

For example, I was talking to a muslim friend and after a while our conversation found its way to him complaining about "modern" promiscuity. When I didn't agree with his views he asked if I would like to marry a virgin. I said I'd actually prefer not and almost certainly will not. Virginity implies immaturity and I do not find immaturity very attractive. He then said this: if a load of people handed a biscuit around and took bites out of it, and it finally came to you with loads of saliva-dripping bites around the edges, would you eat it? With views like this it's no wonder women are so oppressed in the muslim world.

I was discussing Islam with an Imam I know and on the subject of heaven, a man who is against all forms of sexual promiscuity said "a bunch of virgins sounds like heaven to me".

Here in the EMM recently we had someone - interestingly, also a muslim - respond to a thread that had drifted off topic into talk about titties with something along the lines of "how can you objectify a woman like that? I find what makes a woman is how her face looks". Without even realising their on hypocricy.

Now, it just so happens these anecdotes are all to do with muslims, but I am not addressing this at Islam but supposedly sexually moral people in general. There was a recent infamous case in Ireland where two people notable for their methodism and conservative political views were found to have murdered their respective spouses so they could marry each other. And then of course there are Catholic clergy.

What is it with advocates of "sexual morality" and sexual immorality?

[I WUB PUGS]

Mmmmyes, a woman is a biscuit. Not a person but an object to be eaten. The woman has no choice, she is merely at the mercy of those that wish to have a nibble.

Oddly I was looking around at MEMEs the other day and I stumbled on one comparing Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus. Apparently Taylor "the sweet, wholesome one" has had like 15 boyfriends in 3 years. Miley "the whore" Cyrus has been with the same dude during the same period and is engaged. My response to this was: Do I really need to give a damn about either?

What business is it of mine if Taylor Swift has orgies every Wednesday or if Miley Cyrus is a prude? Obviously some parts of the world would see both of them stoned for showing even a bit of skin, but I mean really, where does anyone get off telling anyone what is sexually moral?

Get out of our bedrooms.

[Himster]

Severe sexual repression has a down-side?
I never would have guessed.

[alex man142]

It seems to me that the people who believe most in conservative sexual morals are the most sexually immoral people in the world.

For example, I was talking to a muslim friend and after a while our conversation found its way to him complaining about "modern" promiscuity. When I didn't agree with his views he asked if I would like to marry a virgin. I said I'd actually prefer not and almost certainly will not. Virginity implies immaturity and I do not find immaturity very attractive. He then said this: if a load of people handed a biscuit around and took bites out of it, and it finally came to you with loads of saliva-dripping bites around the edges, would you eat it? With views like this it's no wonder women are so oppressed in the muslim world.

Now, it just so happens these anecdotes are all to do with muslims, but I am not addressing this at Islam but supposedly sexually moral people in general. There was a recent infamous case in Ireland where two people notable for their methodism and conservative political views were found to have murdered their respective spouses so they could marry each other. And then of course there are Catholic clergy.

What is it with advocates of "sexual morality" and sexual immorality?

I married a virgin, and she is the most mature person that I know Being a virgin in this messed up modern society is so difficult. The only way I made it was getting married to her at a young age

But case to point, you find exceptions rather than the norm. Those Methodist conservatives are FAR FROM the norm. I don't see my Methodist married friends kill their spouses and go on orgies All of my Methodist friends are married.

Now for the Catholic Clergy, I really hope you are not implying that all Catholic priests are pedophiles The ones that are are in the FRINGE minority and are not representative of the Catholic Church as a whole. I know this because my wife and I are Catholics ourselves. I have not been subject to pedophilia, and I've been an Anglican for most of my life. (Catholicism and Anglicanism are almost interchangeable, making the switch was not hard).

Sure, there are some hypocrites, everyone is. But you can't go looking at fringe instances and making them representative of the whole.

[xcorps]

Sexual Morality is about understanding that there is no such thing as safe sex. Sex has consequences, many of them are life changing or even life ending. Ignoring those consequences and how they affect other peoples lives is what's immoral.

You talk about virgins being somehow immature, but just how mature is it to risk pregnancy and disease transmission for a few minutes of coitus?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Sexual Morality is about understanding that there is no such thing as safe sex. Sex has consequences, many of them are life changing or even life ending. Ignoring those consequences and how they affect other peoples lives is what's immoral.

You talk about virgins being somehow immature, but just how mature is it to risk pregnancy and disease transmission for a few minutes of coitus?

Let's no exaggerate things. It's perfectly possible to be certain your sex will not result in pregnancy, and the only STD I'd be worried about is HIV, which I'm not likely to come across having sex with middle class Europeans. And 1999 times out of 2000, you won't get HIV from having sex with an infected person anyway, not that I'd risk that. Everything else is easily curable.

[xcorps]

Let's no exaggerate things. It's perfectly possible to be certain your sex will not result in pregnancy, and the only STD I'd be worried about is HIV, which I'm not likely to come across having sex with middle class Europeans. And 1999 times out of 2000, you won't get HIV from having sex with an infected person anyway, not that I'd risk that. Everything else is easily curable.

Do you inform your partners that you don't care and are not worried about about spreading STD's?

Not it isn't perfectly possibly to prevent pregnancy if you have coitus. Nothing, including condoms, spermicide and female birth control ...used together... is foolproof. The best you can hope for is a +/- 1% chance of failure.


That's the kind of blase' attitude that I find immoral.

[Adar]

Do you inform your partners that you don't care and are not worried about about spreading STD's?

Not it isn't perfectly possibly to prevent pregnancy if you have coitus. Nothing, including condoms, spermicide and female birth control ...used together... is foolproof. The best you can hope for is a +/- 1% chance of failure.


That's the kind of blase' attitude that I find immoral.

You have to choose your risks. Eating crisps and crossing the street is also things that can fail spectacularily.

[xcorps]

You have to choose your risks. Eating crisps and crossing the street is also things that can fail spectacularily.

Umm, wow. You are equating causing an unwanted pregnancy or the spread of potentially fatal disease through the irresponsible practice of pleasure seeking behavior to eating "crisps".

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Do you inform your partners that you don't care and are not worried about about spreading STD's?

I am not very promiscuous. If I become so, I will be sure to get regular STD tests.

Not it isn't perfectly possibly to prevent pregnancy if you have coitus. Nothing, including condoms, spermicide and female birth control ...used together... is foolproof. The best you can hope for is a +/- 1% chance of failure.

Well, I have used multiple methods together, am confident in my ability and am satisfied the chance they will fail me is neglible.

That's the kind of blase' attitude that I find immoral.

I've had contraception drilled into me since I was very young. I'm never going to cause an unplanned pregnancy. And chances are hugely against me getting an STD too.

Umm, wow. You are equating causing an unwanted pregnancy or the spread of potentially fatal disease through the irresponsible practice of pleasure seeking behavior to eating "crisps".

While I appreciate you are being cautious, you are hugely overestimating the dangers of sex compared to other common things you do every day. You could get food poisoning from your food or an allergic reaction to something you didn't realise you were allegeric too.

Don't even start on driving or gun use, which are a couple of orders of magnitude more dangerous...

[Admiral Piett]

Sexual Morality is about understanding that there is no such thing as safe sex. Sex has consequences, many of them are life changing or even life ending. Ignoring those consequences and how they affect other peoples lives is what's immoral.

You talk about virgins being somehow immature, but just how mature is it to risk pregnancy and disease transmission for a few minutes of coitus?

Sexual morality does not prevent disease. Even two virgins can give each other an infection acquired through other means like third base. Being sensible and rational about it is the best way to maximize one's safety.

Sex is an aspect of adult maturity and always has been. Even in the most pious of places. (Rape excluded for obvious reasons) How can you really know someone you're going to marry unless you've shared the deepest intimacies with them? Sexual compatibility is very important in long term relationships and that incompatibility is usually why men who married young women often became more and more promiscuous throughout their marriage. So that is part of the reason why virginity is identifiable with 'innocence' and 'immaturity'.

Honestly, its better to experiment prior to that and gaining a deeper knowledge not only of them but of yourself.

[AqD]

You talk about virgins being somehow immature, but just how mature is it to risk pregnancy and disease transmission for a few minutes of coitus?

Shaking hands may cause disease transmission too. Also pregnancy can be aborted, so what's the big deal?

[Ummagumma]

Shaking hands may cause disease transmission too. Also pregnancy can be aborted, so what's the big deal?

Cultural (read: Religious) taboos regarding sex. Sex is Bad, Sex is not fun. Enjoyment of Sex is a sin. Sex is just for reproduction. Repress the evil that makes it seem enjoyable. Repress it! Repress it!!
Yeah, things have relaxed a lot, particularly after the decadence and freedom of the 1920's and 1960's. But most of it stems from (unnatural?) religious morality. AIDS has given the anti-sex argument some new ammo since the 80's, and now kids being too drunk to use protection is spreading chlamydia like wildfire. Still, it could be worse.

[Adhamh Ashashi]

Few minutes? Poor xcorps

[alex man142]

Few minutes? Poor xcorps

I understood his point, but my time goes much longer.

And still no children thanks to a decade of contraception .

I got my wife pregnant within two weeks of marriage. She's due next month.

[Col. Tartleton]

Immoral people are pretending to be religious and moral until it's eventually revealed they're really hypocrites and are covering up their own terrible behavior?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Not Tay Tay. I'm just using her shocked face so I can be topical.

[Dr Zoidberg]

With a mouth that opens that wide, no wonder she has had a few boyfriends...

[Col. Tartleton]

With a mouth that opens that wide, no wonder she has had a few boyfriends...

Her mouth is only for 3 people. Taylor, me, and her dental care provider.

[Adar]

For me the very definition of immoral behavior have always been someone who act in a manner opposite to what they advocate as moral behavior in public. From that perspective it is quite obvious that people with a conservative view on sex are going to be the most immoral. But what is surprising me is that it also seems to be quite common.

And of course we also got the opposite. From a moral perspective I am very liberal and won't judge anyone as long as there is a congruence between words and actions. But I ended up marrying my highschool sweetheart and I've always lived up to my marital wows. And still no children thanks to a decade of contraception .

[Adar]

I got my wife pregnant within two weeks of marriage. She's due next month.

Congratulations! But considering the thread topic I have to ask:

1) What contraception did you use?

2) If so, did you have qualified training in how to use it?

Let's no exaggerate things. It's perfectly possible to be certain your sex will not result in pregnancy, and the only STD I'd be worried about is HIV, which I'm not likely to come across having sex with middle class Europeans. And 1999 times out of 2000, you won't get HIV from having sex with an infected person anyway, not that I'd risk that. Everything else is easily curable.

Herpes isn't curable and can be very annoying for some people.

And my personal favorite, multi resistant flesta eating bacteria spreading among gay men in San Francisco.

So always use a condom.