Inheriting the crown... or taking it.

[dearmad]

I hope selecting the heir is not within our control all the time.

I hope that when an heir inherits there are sometimes serious disputes over the crown, so that you could choose a side before moving on with the game. A usurper rises among your generals, or other princes, and takes a few provinces with him and sizeable armies... you choose to back him and play on with your realm in conflict needing to be reunited.

Smooth transitions were rare. If they are all smooth then a big, fun part of the game is being overlooked, IMO.

[Keresztes]

This is surprisingly close to what MTWI did, if not exactly spot on. And yes, it was a cool feature that I'd like to see again.

[Barbarian-Bob]

While I understand that people would want back the "eldest son as heir" thing from MTW, I personally felt that it was better with choosing an heir.

I mean, when I had played Rome for a long time, and finally went back to playing MTW a bit, I was so annoyed that I couldn't choose my heir. I only got the crappy sons for heirs all the time. It just felt like a step back.


Also, about losing regions and stuff to you potential heir and such, I think I would have more than enough of that from civil wars. But then, an heir dispute could of course be the start of a civil war. :hmmm:

[Jackbob]

I mean, when I had played Rome for a long time, and finally went back to playing MTW a bit, I was so annoyed that I couldn't choose my heir. I only got the crappy sons for heirs all the time. It just felt like a step back.

Why does it seems like everyone like when it's easy? People don't like attrition, realistic heritage laws etc...
Not being able to choose your heir is fun and it would be cool if more compitent princes would maybe revolt or something when a weak ass inherits the throne.

[Giurza]

quote = dearmed
I think he is speaking of a possible system where civil war would break out almost every time there is a dispute between your chosen heir and a rightful heir (oldest son right) and I think this feature would be extremely great, so we could have more civil wars and expand our empire far slower!!!

barbarianbob little word of advice: good tool for sculpting you future heir is an assasin... you can do that in MTW1
cheers mate! have a good time murdering your own sons! lol medieval it is, medieval indeed!!!

[Barbarian-Bob]

barbarianbob little word of advice: good tool for sculpting you future heir is an assasin... you can do that in MTW1
cheers mate! have a good time murdering your own sons! lol medieval it is, medieval indeed!!!

Heh, that's a good tip actually. I suppose I could accuse the heir of heresy later in the game too. All I need is a written confession from his horse that he is indeed Beelsebub.

Thing is, it was early game, before I had assassins and such, and for some reason my kings died like flies.

What I DID like about the system though, was that heirs were not 16 years olds, (I would always appoint the youngest candidate possible to get the most out of him) but rather very mature and ready to rule. Often the heirs would take over at an age of 30, 40 or even 50 (in which case they didn't last long).

[Giurza]

there is another VERY good alternative to assasination of your own son... HEROES DEATH IN THE MIDST OF BATTLE, and of course you would be stricken by the grief, mourn him for a month or two build a temple in his name, but the most important thing that the poor sob won't be bothering your perfect geneological tree lol
and another word of advice! having your heir sitting his ass off in a city won't help to improve his qualities... he'll just drink his wits off, f**ck with the prostitues, or even become a shagger of boys (with all due respect to the gays!)
so as soon as you see a lad who has at least some potential to become a king (not like Edward II) send him off to gather some experiance, let him sack a city or two!!!

[Barbarian-Bob]

Aye, that is a good option. I just have to severely miscalculate how 1 unit of king's bodyguard will fare against... oh, say 2000 french spearmen and peasants. What is cool though, is that you can actually cause havoc in early game with bodyguards, as AI only has loads of peasants and mounted sergants. The odd spearman popping up can easily be avoided.
HAH! I think that will be the first thing I do in MTW2. Send my heir off to no man's land to die. He will be sorely missed.

[Kanfoosh]

By the king that sent him on that suicide mission just so he would die???

[Barbarian-Bob]

By the king that sent him on that suicide mission just so he would die???

Exactly... publicly he would go: and in private he would go: :laughing: .............

The same with the entire country if you send your crappy king to a hopeless death. Savage times, indeed.

I hope they will have fancy movies for the King's death and the heir's death. That would be sweet.

[Kanfoosh]

They all die the same in battle, drowning in their own pool of blood!

[Lord Janos]

I loved the uncertainty of your position in Medieval - you were always watching your back and had something to worry about. I think that struggles for the crown (they don't always need to be huge), such as a rogue general vying with his stack of units for the crown, or on a grander scale two (maybe more!) sons fighting it out over a divided kingdom, like the Royalists versus the Parliamentarians.

Although, the ability to kill your heirs and your own people should be in the game i hope. I also want the ability to kill all diplomatic/subterfuge units (including princesses). Which also brings me round to an off topic point - i'd like the princesses to look vaguely attractive in M2TW. Not because i want to leer at them, but because they were hideous in M1TW, and it might add to the game if you saw a portrait of a girl which you found appealing, and vyed for her name with a noble from another faction perhaps. I just want it to have some sort of sentimental value rather than simply as a means to win an alliance.

[Kanfoosh]

As a king, why would you not be able to change the laws and choose your own heir? and maybe **** off the rightful heir and he would start to revolt and the better he is the stronger his army is

[DavidtheDuke]

As a king, why would you not be able to change the laws and choose your own heir? and maybe **** off the rightful heir and he would start to revolt and the better he is the stronger his army is

Exactly, you should be able to choose your heir, but with possibly dire consequences

[dearmad]

Yeah like your nobles not agreeing with you. And war ensuing.

[The Messenger]

This is a feature you should expect in a Paradox game, not in something from CA. Play Crusader Kings, this is EXACTLY what is in that game. I wish that CA would take that game's campaign map, plus its event system and put in the real time battles. With all those provinces as well, MTW2 looks like a quick game with the large provinces on that map.

[Sétanta]

I would like to see a fight over the crown only when the eldest son cannot inherit it. If the King has no heirs than different branches of the family should fight each other.


For example: If the King dies without any sons, then his younger brother may claim the throne, or the husband of the kings eldest daughter also being a claimant. All family members then "choose" a side to support and civil war breaks out.

[The Messenger]

On that game Crusader Kings if you Bastard son has territory he can gain enough power to declare himself your legitimate heir, screwing your true first born son. That would be great for a civil war event.

I just wish CA would take the events idea from the paradox games. It would add a lot.

[Beiss]

Mrmf... the problem here is that, as the player, you're not being personally attacked. You only have to worry about your faction. What goes on in the Royal family is unimportant, as long as you have heirs for your throne. Who is king is really irrelevant. The player is still the boss.

[The Lord Of Dance]

I agree with choosing an heir, althought not as common as Roman times... rulers still choose younger sons over the eldest in some cases.

I also think that with the Holy Roman Empire they should give a more detailed report about Electing the Emperor, make it exclusive to them to spice it up a lil bit. Have all the lords of the land cast in their vote, to give you a slight edge you cast your vote once with three possible heirs.