Could the AI cheat any more blatantly?

**Yossarian** · August 09, 2006, 08:05 PM

This happened to me once before too in vanilla RTW...but anyway, I was playing RTR as the Romans, and the Greeks besieged one of my cities, and, not only that, on the same turn, they somehow got a ram and stormed the city! I don't mind giving the AI extra money and that kind of stuff, but this kind of cheating is just ridiculous.

**Sammur-amat** · August 09, 2006, 08:21 PM

Did the posibility of spy presence in your settlement ever cross your mind?

**Vanquisher** · August 09, 2006, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by n00kie

Did the posibility of spy presence in your settlement ever cross your mind?

A spy does not mean you can build ram, it just means that they are able to take the gates out, thus they will be open on the battle map, but no rams.

**Sammur-amat** · August 09, 2006, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Vanquisher

A spy does not mean you can build ram, it just means that they are able to take the gates out, thus they will be open on the battle map, but no rams.

thnxx 4 the enlightment(but already knew that)..but the same effect is achieved (AI storm in)..they queue the ram-spy open door bug create ram..happened dozen times to me as parthia vs. seleucids on rtr..other then thats not very important or often bug, so no big deal( just think how many exploits you can use or how many cities AI lost to you,whats one city..drop in the ocean..)...

**Yossarian** · August 09, 2006, 09:22 PM

A spy presence in the settlement might have crossed my mind if they didn't use battering rams to open the gates.

And I know, I'll get the city back (though it does hurt somewhat to lose it, since I'm just beginning the campaign and so only have 4 cities, not counting the one the AI took), but it's just really annoying when the AI can take a city in one turn like that. >_<

**Spadicus** · August 10, 2006, 03:51 AM

Yup, it's happened to me as well, using RTW 1.5 with XGM. Loads of times I've lost towns to the stupid AI coming along with a pitiable army that can magically conjure a ram out of thin air.

**Steuner** · August 10, 2006, 05:51 AM

Well you should be having an army in your cities eh... You should be prepared for it, lol... :/

**Spadicus** · August 10, 2006, 06:05 AM

Do you station an army in every one of your towns

?

I have town watch in my smaller towns as a garrison. Nearby legions provide a degree of defence, capable of raising sieges whenever an enemy army attacks.

But if they automatically get rams, there's no siege is there? They just storm in and overpower my garrison. I don't think placing armies in cities has anythign to do with it.

**Kraut** · August 10, 2006, 06:22 AM

To be sure, they had the Ram in the very turn when they began the siege? Without ANY building time?

Strange.

**Spadicus** · August 10, 2006, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kraut

To be sure, they had the Ram in the very turn when they began the siege? Without ANY building time?

Strange.

Yup. Most I got it was about three times in a campaign.

**Yossarian** · August 10, 2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kraut

To be sure, they had the Ram in the very turn when they began the siege? Without ANY building time?

Strange.

Yeah, that's exactly it.

I had a weak garrison in the city because I really didn't think it was likely to be attacked, plus I was trying to save money. I had just a unit of Italian Spearmen, a unit of Italian Swordsmen, and my faction leader in there.

**Boudicca** · August 10, 2006, 03:33 PM

I never had that. I had the AI striking my city on the turn of laying siege if they had elephants or such things as siege equipment...but that...I don't remember... :hmmm:

**Hader** · August 10, 2006, 06:03 PM

I have never had this happen to me, only with elephants when Carthage or Seleucia tries to attack me. Usually im the one using my spies to storm their settlement when they least expect it. I especially love it when my full stack of professional soldiers under command of my best general attack a garrison of peasants.....i just love to watch them get slaughtered

**Steuner** · August 10, 2006, 06:38 AM

Spadicus, not EVERY town... But like Rome has some units, and the more important towns have... So try to defend it with man 'n might!

Steuner

**Nebuchadnezzar** · August 10, 2006, 10:20 PM

This can happen. I don't know if it is a bug or feature, but if your city was seiged earlier than the seige equipment they constructed may still be there for the next army. At least for a couple of moves. Doesn't happen often fortunately.