[DISCUSSION]Recruitment. . . Relevant to?

[Bryce Caron]

I've read the Recruitment preview-thingy ma bob, but I really wanted to make a thread that would go more in depth, and discuss, as well as compare the recruitment, soon to be, implemented into the game along with 1.0.

I guess I'd say, I hope it to be like the realistic recruitment in SS6.4. I haven't played many mods, but that really seems to hit the nail on the head, that would be awesome. But I just wanted to know more about what will be implemented.

I'm not sure how far out this is, but I hope to see a recruitment system that reflects the faction/house. I.E. the Tyrell's have more accessibility to knights, men-at-arms, nobles, basically everything, because they are the most populous, and have the best ability to support a large army. While the Lannisters, have more access to their heavily armored units, as well as just generic units, ex. Men-at-arms, Nobles, Knights, etc.

Food for thought. I probably didn't explain it as well as I could have, or someone else may be able to, but that's just what I think/hope for. Thoughts/questions/suggestions/ideas/comments?

[NoldorinWrath]

Seems fairly reasonable, though would something along the lines of this be doable? As in say the begining of a war, when all troops and men are available, because all the guys of that age are ready for war, but as time goes on, and more men fall, the amount of troops available would decrease? Lets say a small house has 500 men available for battle in the begining to send to their lord, but 3 years later they can only send 200 because many of the first group fell. Is that implementable?

[Lordinquisitor]

I guess that our recruitment will be to your liking. The amount if units available in a given settlement is tied to the fertility of the region. The reach can recruit lots of troops, for example, but the north just a few.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

I guess that our recruitment will be to your liking. The amount if units available in a given settlement is tied to the fertility of the region. The reach can recruit lots of troops, for example, but the north just a few.

That's Amazing

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

I guess that our recruitment will be to your liking. The amount if units available in a given settlement is tied to the fertility of the region. The reach can recruit lots of troops, for example, but the north just a few.

This is Nice but how will factions like the Stark's, Stannis and Greyjoy that are regions with low fertility. The North has some fertile areas but Dragonstone & Iron Island are pretty much low fertility. That could put those factions in disadvantage. And also im just asking wouldn't that make the Tyrell's OP since they have the most fertile lands in Westeros ?
I'm just saying but I don't know how it works could you light me up a little.

[Toho]

This is Nice but how will factions like the Stark's, Stannis and Greyjoy that are regions with low fertility. The North has some fertile areas but Dragonstone & Iron Island are pretty much low fertility. That could put those factions in disadvantage. And also im just asking wouldn't that make the Tyrell's OP since they have the most fertile lands in Westeros ?
I'm just saying but I don't know how it works could you light me up a little.

the thing is my friend... it doesn't!

if House Greyjoy tried to take on the Lannisters or Tyrell all alone they would pretty much die if House Tyrell could get to their island... and eventually they will.

if you are playing a hotseat then offering your help to a more powerful house would be a good idea.
if you are playing against AI then you would have a very fun campaign and challenging campaign, I doubt AI can beat your superior intellect no matter how much of a disadvantage you have.

now concerning power levels of factions I would have to say the Tyrells are the most powerful with the Lannisters right behind.
the North, Arryn, Renly, Tully are about the same level give or take.
Martell and Joffrey a little weaker then what I described above.
Frey, Greyjoy and Stannis are laughable compared to the bigger houses.

[Mithridate]

the North, Arryn, Renly, Tully are about the same level give or take.
Martell and Joffrey a little weaker then what I described above.
Frey, Greyjoy and Stannis are laughable compared to the bigger houses.

Yet the the riverlands are quite fertile?

Also, Dorne was pretty much on pair with the Stormlands and claimed the ironborn to be stronger than them:

The ironborn supposedly have 600-700 ships, we can assume each ship has say 40 men (asha had 50-60). That alone is 24k-28k. On top of that Doran states he can field max 25k men and that dorne is WEAKER than the ironborn.

I know not of any recent new statement on the houses strenghts tho... from GRR or Ran

[Toho]

Yet the the riverlands are quite fertile?

Also, Dorne was pretty much on pair with the Stormlands and claimed the ironborn to be stronger than them:

The ironborn supposedly have 600-700 ships, we can assume each ship has say 40 men (asha had 50-60). That alone is 24k-28k. On top of that Doran states he can field max 25k men and that dorne is WEAKER than the ironborn.

I know not of any recent new statement on the houses strenghts tho... from GRR or Ran

how do you know the Greyjoys had 700 ships? also some ships could be smaller, only great lord's probably had ships as big as Asha.
Doran never said that dorne is weaker than Ironborn, with the greyjoy landmass being a spec compared to the rest I doubt they have the population to rival the Dornish or anyone else for that matter.
show me where they said Ironborn are stronger, or rather more numerous than dorne or the stormlands.
if I remember with most of Renly's cavalry Stannis had about 30'000 troops with most of the infantry remaining at bitterbridge.

also regarding house tully bieng more fertile, while that is true but just because you are more fertile or have more population that you can field a larger army. House Tully barely mustered 20K troops, I am generous in estimating their number to be 30K (give or take)

Greyjoys will have 10K or 12K at most. Stannis, 4K or 5K and the Frey's slightly more than that.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

the thing is my friend... it doesn't!

if House Greyjoy tried to take on the Lannisters or Tyrell all alone they would pretty much die if House Tyrell could get to their island... and eventually they will.

if you are playing a hotseat then offering your help to a more powerful house would be a good idea.
if you are playing against AI then you would have a very fun campaign and challenging campaign, I doubt AI can beat your superior intellect no matter how much of a disadvantage you have.

now concerning power levels of factions I would have to say the Tyrells are the most powerful with the Lannisters right behind.
the North, Arryn, Renly, Tully are about the same level give or take.
Martell and Joffrey a little weaker then what I described above.
Frey, Greyjoy and Stannis are laughable compared to the bigger houses.

Thank's . Well true about the power of the houses but atleast Joffrey has the mighty Lannister's protecting him & the Martell's have a pretty good position to defend themselves since the only way to Dorne via land are the mountains. Stannis & Greyjoy are pretty much .

[Toho]

Thank's . Well true about the power of the houses but atleast Joffrey has the mighty Lannister's protecting him & the Martell's have a pretty good position to defend themselves since the only way to Dorne via land are the mountains. Stannis & Greyjoy are pretty much .

as long as Joffrey holds KL, he has a chance to win.

Greyjoys and Stannis have the opportunity to do hit and run tactics and somehow build their forces and economy through sacking and temp holdings until they become strong enough .

the Frey faction? yea, its going to be tough for them.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

So what about Arryn?

[Lordinquisitor]

The vale has some fertile, non mountaineous places and as such will enjoy a decent pool of units.

We basically have, as far as i know, four different types of fertility- From very infertile to very fertile. So we can pretty accurately depict how fertile the region around a settlement is- Which will also determine an important chunk of income for each faction.

Regions like the north and the desert areas of dorne, for example, aren`t very fertile. The Riverlands and the eastern part of the Westerlands are pretty fertile, but the Reach is the most fertile region of them all.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

The vale has some fertile, non mountaineous places and as such will enjoy a decent pool of units.

We basically have, as far as i know, four different types of fertility- From very infertile to very fertile. So we can pretty accurately depict how fertile the region around a settlement is- Which will also determine an important chunk of income for each faction.

Regions like the north and the desert areas of dorne, for example, aren`t very fertile. The Riverlands and the eastern part of the Westerlands are pretty fertile, but the Reach is the most fertile region of them all.

ahh that makes sense

[Badger-dude]

From what I can see, they also have a lot of AOR units, which I am always a fan of.

[Kiliç Alì]

Yeah plenty of them. We're working on a script that allows you to recruit one region's AORs only if you own at least 1/3 of the region (so you can recruit Stark units only if you have at least 6 settlements in the North) but with scarce success (it broke on the best part still WIP).

[Bryce Caron]

Hmm. That seems the best way to go about the recruitment while staying true to the book. After all, the Reach should be able to recruit the most troops. Will there also be a population factor in there somewhere?

[Lordinquisitor]

Medieval 2 can`t factor in population. While recruitment in rome reduced the population of a settlement doing this in medieval is impossible.

Fertility directly translates into population, mostly. In areas with an high fertility more people can be found- and recruited.

Bigger cities like Kings Landing, Oldtown and Gulltown are situated mostly in pretty fertile areas anyway, and will have their own specific AOR units available, which allows one to field a sizeable army from those cities.

[Emperor of Hell]

Places with a high population usually also have more castles so more recruitment centers.

[Lordinquisitor]

Yeah, ofc, but i wanted to specifically address the issue of large Cities, like Kings Landing or Oldtown with 500 000 people living in them. One could certainly ask whether those cities will be able to recruit as many people as their size suggests.

[Bryce Caron]

Oh, that does make sense. I remember the population thingy in Rome. But also, will Nobles only able to be recruited from Castles/Fortesses/etc. Or will 'Huge', or 'Large' cities be able to recruit them, when built up accordingly? I only ask because I remember a couple higher-tiered cavalry units available for recruiting in bigger cities in MTW2.