humanity is hitting a new low: child rapists

[sabaku_no_gaara]

I read an article today in Belgian magazine HUMO about child abuse preformed by..... CHILDREN.

If you can't even trust your kids around other kids annymore, then what is this world heading too?

there where cases of 2 boys of 10 and 9 raping an 8 year old boy, a 14 year old abusing his 7 year old neighbour, an 11 year old boy abusing his 7 year old stepsister for months etc....

what is causing all these little children to start doing these horrible deeds instead of playing with their LEGO or GI Joe or something? Where did they get the idea for this? how do we prevent this from happening? I'm so shocked I can't even begin to described how shocked I am

When exactly did Children learn what these deeds are and how do we prevent them from preforming them on inocent people.

the only explanation they gave in the article was that it had to with power and loneliness, but I don't think that can be the only reason can it? Call me an idiot but I'm sure that tv and internet gave them far too many wrong examples. MTV shows woman who wear almost nothing, preforming verry sugestive moves, movies and music glorify sex, some shock artists glorify rape etc...I don't want to sound like a crazy american, but I think these things affect the mind set of young children and need to be controlled better, and maybe, just maybe we should find better ways of monitoring our kids, maybe even equip their clothes with tracking and recording equipment just to make sure nothing happens to them.

maybe I'm speaking out of shock and I'll think differently when I finnish my bacardi but right now...

wow I never want to have children because I don't want to put anything so innocent and vulnerable in this cold twisted world

[TenkiSoratoti]

This has been going on since humanity began, the only reason we know about it so much is because the media these days can get wind of a fly farting in the middle of the Sahara.

[Legione]

This has been going on since humanity began, the only reason we know about it so much is because the media these days can get wind of a fly farting in the middle of the Sahara.

I've been saying the same exact thing. Great minds think alike. If anything, this world and the people in it are getting better.

[humvee2800]

ive seen many horrid things in my lifetime but i want too see them, not because i enjoy such things but because i need too understand them. I am no more dangerous then anyone else as a result .

For example i recently came across a picture of a dead US soldier missing most of his face. Since i plan on joining the army i made sure too make myself realise that ill likely see such things again and things like that could happen to me.

One point i would like too make is that mtv isnt trying too gt 10 year olds too watch them, parents should not let a immoral 10 year old too watch such things, tv and experiences dont tell people what too do. People do, also if you take rape , ses, and killing from rap what do you have left :O

[hunter260859]

Why would someone actual do such a thing there world is going to pots.

[Shaun]

When exactly did Children learn what these deeds are and how do we prevent them from preforming them on inocent people.

Its simple, children learn them from adults. If you turn in the news, all you hear is "20 year old man rapes women" etc.

the only explanation they gave in the article was that it had to with power and loneliness, but I don't think that can be the only reason can it? Call me an idiot but I'm sure that tv and internet gave them far too many wrong examples. MTV shows woman who wear almost nothing, preforming verry sugestive moves, movies and music glorify sex, some shock artists glorify rape etc...I don't want to sound like a crazy american, but I think these things affect the mind set of young children and need to be controlled better, and maybe, just maybe we should find better ways of monitoring our kids, maybe even equip their clothes with tracking and recording equipment just to make sure nothing happens to them.

No, women with very little clothes performing certian moves is not suggestive at all. Its only what the brain thinks of it that makes it suggestive, and the human brain can interprit it in anyway it wants. So what are we meant to do, ban TV and internet? No, children just need more education on whats not acceptable like rape and murder.

[Katrina]

No, women with very little clothes performing certian moves is not suggestive at all. Its only what the brain thinks of it that makes it suggestive, and the human brain can interprit it in anyway it wants.

If the human brain can interpret such imagery anyway it wants, then humans alike can begin to see things and realize certain acts and human natures as certain ideas. So yes, for what humans see certain moves and scenes on tv, internet, movies, etc. as, the material can be defined as suggestive.

So what are we meant to do, ban TV and internet? No, children just need more education on whats not acceptable like rape and murder.

No, we do not ban those things. And no, "educating children as to what is acceptable" will most likely not enforce righteous ideas on them, when they are the ones who are so completely unrighteous enough to perform such activies such as rape and murder.

This has been going on since humanity began, the only reason we know about it so much is because the media these days can get wind of a fly farting in the middle of the Sahara.

However, have percentages of such activites increased since the beginning of humanity? Has activities and occurances such as rape became even more common and increasingly/allarmingly threatening? Do you have a link that would provide example towards the idea that rape is becoming even more of a threat as the days go on?

[RZZZA]

I remember being sexually curious from the very beginning, even before I hit puberty, before anything down there even worked. I dont think humanity is hitting a new low...children were raped all the time in the ancient world. Greeks, romans...they didnt have underage laws....

But children raping children sounds like someones parents didnt have the "sex talk". Boys ages 10 and 9 cant even get hard yet, how would they rape someone? Its just childhood explorations, pranks and bullying gone way too far, its not a sign of the apocolypse.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

I remember being sexually curious from the very beginning, even before I hit puberty, before anything down there even worked. I dont think humanity is hitting a new low...children were raped all the time in the ancient world. Greeks, romans...they didnt have underage laws....

But children raping children sounds like someones parents didnt have the "sex talk". Boys ages 10 and 9 cant even get hard yet, how would they rape someone? Its just childhood explorations, pranks and bullying gone way too far, its not a sign of the apocolypse.

there's a difference between bullying a kid or exploring and having a 7 year old perform oral deeds on you whilst your buddy takes him from behind, and guys can become hard verry early, my first woody was when I was 8 or 9 years old.

when I bullied someone as a kid I just pointed laughed and went na na nana naaaaa you are stupid! Or I smacked him around a bit this is just wrong.

I did over react with the protection, but still this is a serious problem maybe school teachers and parents should be trained in recognising the symptons of a kid being a potential rapist

[RZZZA]

there's a difference between bullying a kid or exploring and having a 7 year old perform oral deeds on you whilst your buddy takes him from behind, and guys can become hard verry early, my first woody was when I was 8 or 9 years old.

when I bullied someone as a kid I just pointed laughed and went na na nana naaaaa you are stupid! Or I smacked him around a bit this is just wrong.

I did over react with the protection, but still this is a serious problem maybe school teachers and parents should be trained in recognising the symptons of a kid being a potential rapist

I dunno the details of the case and you probably dont either...I find it kind of hard to believe that 9 and 10 year olds have the same sexual urges as older people, enough to the point where they want to satisfy those urges no matter the cost. I tend to think this is bullying gone too far, or something else entirely, but again I dunno the details and there may be a whole lot behind the scene the reporters left out.

As a 9 and 10 year old, yeah I remember sexual curiosity with the neighborhood girls, show me what you got and ill show you what I got type of thing. At puberty, yeah I remember being lustful, but never in my childhood did I hear of people being raped. There was no need for rape, everyone seemed to be sexually curious and it was always more of a game to us as kids than it was about having actual sex. Maybe those kids have a history of abuse within the family? Maybe they think theyre gay and theyre acting out? Maybe it is just Rated R movies and bullying taken to the extreme? Some kids will act out anything they see on tv, absolutely anything.

[Shaun]

If the human brain can interpret such imagery anyway it wants, then humans alike can begin to see things and realize certain acts and human natures as certain ideas. So yes, for what humans see certain moves and scenes on tv, internet, movies, etc. as, the material can be defined as suggestive.

Yes, but it can suggest anything it wants, who says it has to suggest rape or anything sexual? Again, its only certian people that make it out ot mean that.

No, we do not ban those things. And no, "educating children as to what is acceptable" will most likely not enforce righteous ideas on them, when they are the ones who are so completely unrighteous enough to perform such activies such as rape and murder.

Well what do you propse we do?

However, have percentages of such activites increased since the beginning of humanity? Has activities and occurances such as rape became even more common and increasingly/allarmingly threatening? Do you have a link that would provide example towards the idea that rape is becoming even more of a threat as the days go on?

his whole point was that there has always been a lot of crimes such has rape and murder, so its not more threatening then than it is now.

[Katrina]

Yes, but it can suggest anything it wants, who says it has to suggest rape or anything sexual? Again, its only certian people that make it out ot mean that.

Of course it could potentially suggest anything it wants, but there is the idea of what becomes humanly accepted as different ideas that occurs. Such material has been humanely and socially accpeted as something not appropraite for certain ages and people because of the idea it generally is made to produce and the idea that it gives off.

Well what do you propse we do?

If the problem is as urgent as many make it seem, than there are many restrictions that can be placed by law, etc. However, i fail to have any back up information that proves this is such a huge deal now, as opposed to earlier, where not as many restrictions were placed. What has happened recently in the catagorie that calls for something else to be done? Is it as simple as new realization of the topic?

his whole point was that there has always been a lot of crimes such has rape and murder, so its not more threatening then than it is now.

Well then you just answered my question. I was simply asking to confirm that.

[Shaun]

Of course it could potentially suggest anything it wants, but there is the idea of what becomes humanly accepted as different ideas that occurs. Such material has been humanely and socially accpeted as something not appropraite for certain ages and people because of the idea it generally is made to produce and the idea that it gives off.

But how do we stop people under that age of which it is socially accepted from viewing it? Why should they not be allowed to view it, its not full blown pornography, is it? You just have to look outside your window ot go down to the park on a hot day to see girls wearing very little.

If the problem is as urgent as many make it seem, than there are many restrictions that can be placed by law,

Good idea, I mean if its against he law people are not going to do it. Just look at underage drinking and pot smoking. Oh wait...

[Vanquisher]

This is truly terrible, although it should be expected given the state of society today.

This brings me to a question; why?

To answer this question, the first thing that popped into my head was, has this been happening from the "beggining", or is it a recent occurence, brought on my nurture or the state of the society as a whole, thus resulting in nature being the catylist.

So i did some research and here is what I found:

There appears to be an increase in child rape including cases involving children raping other children:

The Thuthuzela Care Centre is situated in a spacious but somewhat bare converted ward at the Cecilia Makiwane Hospital in Mdantsane, just outside East London. Established in 2001 as a “one stop” service for rape survivors, the centre sees about 38 new clients a month with an alarming 24 of these being children under the age of 12.

"We are seeing more and more child rape cases," says Nosisi Nangu, a maternal figure who is Thuthuzela’s (which means “comfort” in isiXhosa) coordinator.

This from the Center for the study of AID's website, and here is the link:
http://www.csa.za.org/article/articleview/275/1/1/

Well, seeing that it is a rising trend, I needed to find out why. In order to do this I needed to ask some more questions, this time; what has changed in the last decade or so that would have such an effect?

Well the main factors to look at are:
What changes human behaviour at a young age 1)enviromentaly and 2)by nurture.

What would make somebody do this if all their surroundings were a normal, (by this I mean the scientific term), say with no external effects as yet during childhood.

To answer the first question my opinion is this;
for 1) The media, yes we all agree that the media is the main problem for many of today's social changes, if you don't then you need to get out more. The child's peers, obviously their peers are influenced by the media too, but lets just imagine that they had mental health difficulties, (which by the way are also on the rise).
So, what are the media doing that is different?
*More and more people have access to technology such as PC's and TV's, (you won't beleive the rate at which this has actually risen.
*The "rating" of media has been driven down inexurably since the 60's.
*The content of the media has become more and more negativly obbsessed.
*The media are able to get access to much more information faster, leading to us having constant news updates, "drilling" the negatives into our brains.

The child's peers also play a huge part in their younger life and as many learn from each other, it is not hard for bad habits to spread like "crazes". The problem is there has also been a rise of mental health difficulties, or a rise in knowledge of them, but if the former, then this will be a huge part in solving the puzzle, because the reason why many people break the law is because of a mental "trigger".

For 2) The parents are the factor here, and as a huge percentage of our personality is governed by the way we are brought up, this needs to be studied closely. I have personaly noticed, as others I know that people have become more and more "ignorant" of their children in the past years. this is mainly because of the fact that their is more stress in a family environment due to social upheavels and increasing work-related stress. I have just seen too many people who cannot handle their children, I mean, you are meant to be bringing some-one into a cruel and harsh world, don't you think you need to take some time to learn them how to survive and behave properly?
Even if the censoring of products is perfect, which it isn't, the parent is the one who decides whether the child goes near it or not. For example a father can buy an 18 rated dvd and let his 5 year-old son play his leggo, while he is watching "soft" sexual intercource during a rape. The parent may beleive that the child is to "dumb" to even understand what is going on and ignore it. But they are wrong. At this point an image is implanted in the memory of the child and, although they do not know it, it is a seed, waiting to grow. If the child grows up perfectly and lives with a good job perhaps nothing will happen, BUT if the child has a traumatic school-life due to bullying for example, they will become depressed, linked with anything that may be to do with sex, or rape and combined with sexual interest, they may decide to rape another to gain a feeling of power and strength, seeing it as a way out.

I have gone a bit too deep here, sorry.

Anyway, to be more argumentative:

If the human brain can interpret such imagery anyway it wants, then humans alike can begin to see things and realize certain acts and human natures as certain ideas. So yes, for what humans see certain moves and scenes on tv, internet, movies, etc. as, the material can be defined as suggestive.

You have it quite wrong, yes the material can be found as suggestive, but their need to be two factors involved. For example, if you were and alien and you saw a women getting naked and having intercourse with a man in the middle of busy London, the alien would not have made an interpretation. It is unlikely this would lead to the alien "trying it out", because it would not have even recognised it*. Then it goes to a library and reads dictionary, he turns to the definition of sex. He then goes back outside, sees it happening again and thinks that, maybe I could try that :hmmm: . So, the next day, the papers are strewn with the news of a 33 year old women being raped by an alien. But how did the alien know it was doing wrong? Having Asperger's I know how a child must interprate something like sex on the TV. Just "something", another logical proccess.
It is the same with a child, they may see sex on TV and then rape some-one without knowing it is wrong, because they are not old enough to know. I am not saying that this should/could be solved, just stating facts, so don't start a pointless argument.

Having Asperger's I know how a child must interprate something like sex on the TV. Just "something", another logical proccess.

You completely missed the point, just because its against that law, people will still do it.

I did not miss the point. I am saying that perhaps the law has more ability for power even while protecting the peoples rights and freedoms than it really thinks it does.

Katrina, most laws I know of ARE put there for phycological purposes, as you where no doubt trying to say.
Anyway, although they you can focus on making laws to put criminals away, there are 2 things missed:
1)A person with a mental health problem would most likely not notice the penalty, and yes most rapists do have mental health problems.
2)You can also try to cut the problem at the source, (the best bet but the most difficult). Meaning this, create laws that regulate the way the child is brought up, (but not directly). most of this is linked with education, the child in my opinion only needs to learn about sex when they are of legal age, this reduces, but NOT stops the amount of child-related instances, because their mind does not focus on it at a younger age. Going back to my problem this explains that the child needs to be kept away from anything that actually expains sex to a child, then the problem of children thinking about sex whenever they see a seductive women will lessen. (untill they reach puberty).

NEWS FLASH:

I have just realised that there has also been a lowering in the adverage age of puberty, causing younger and younger people to think in a sexual way sooner. This is linked to the fact that most people grow up faster then ever before. There is as yet no full expantion for this though, although it has been proved that it is happening.

I may have got a few things mixed up because I typed this really fast and didn't have time to make it into a proper "Essay".

[hunter260859]

I totally agree with you shaun that is all you hear on the new nower days someday im sure they will make the new 9pm and later only *laugh*.

[Janitorius Adeptus Maximus]

just maybe we should find better ways of monitoring our kids, maybe even equip their clothes with tracking and recording equipment just to make sure nothing happens to them.

I can tell you right now that that is a very, very bad idea. The next step would be to extend the "tracking and recording" equipment to adults, and badda-bing, we're living in a George Orwell novel.

[Lunar4]

I can tell you right now that that is a very, very bad idea. The next step would be to extend the "tracking and recording" equipment to adults, and badda-bing, we're living in a George Orwell novel.

This man is correct

[invictus]

Well i wont say i approve of rape or any such thing, but then again, i wont say this hasnt happened before, nor will i say people need to caln down. However i will say, that people do seem to over-react to things, i do myself as well. There is no way to stop these things from happening, so all you can do is throw the kids in prison or something and be done with it. Justice is blind remember, let not the fact they are 10 and 9 affect their punishment. -Leon

[sabaku_no_gaara]

did you read my last reply mate?

by the way what I think she is saying is this: if it is against the law, then it is easier to keep a check on people, and there will also be more social controle, everyone knows that many laws get broken all the time, yet if there is a law about this, and it is taken seriously, then it could be helpfull.

That is what I think she is saying, but I could be wrong.

[RZZZA]

Yeah....yeah that definetly sounds like rape, cold blooded... Perhaps sex counseling all the way around is in order?