So what is good at fighting naghinata sams

[Mahakar]

What is a counter to naginata samurai?

They are good against cav, beat my katana samurai, are the best infantry unit to soak up arrows due to their armour and also beat yari infantry which afaik covers most unit types.

What exactly is their downside, how do i beat them?

[Majuts]

Matchlocks, mounted gunners, donderbuss cavalry. Those will deal with them nicely.

Other than that high level kat sams and no-dachi's can beat them but it's better to soften them up first.

[TheCrazyCat]

punch them to death/

[CptAustus]

If you manage to get your no dachi's charge, they should slau- survive the fight.

[Mahakar]

Well, I was given the chance to try a nicely vetted army with a naginata core and roflstomped anything people threw at me excluding some "i kite arround the map with cav until you leave cause i´m a piece of "-armies .

True, naginatas die to matchlocks but so does everything else in this game and matchlocks are too situational to be a reliable counter. No dachis can be a threat but are so vulnerable to cav/bows and only work when they get a good charge off(which can be denied by a fooder unit or cav).

So, yeah. Having used them myself, I do believe that naginatas are too good at dealing with too many things for too little a prize.

[DeliCiousTZM]

I like to make 5+ armor naginates with my 20+accuarcy and 2+ armor Bow samurai. Can you say unstoppable?

[TheCrazyCat]

I like to make 5+ armor naginates with my 20+accuarcy and 2+ armor Bow samurai. Can you say unstoppable?

its very weak, its very static in the sense that you can be easily overwhelmed on all sides

@Mahakar if you ever find yourself doing nothing @20 GMT and wanna try/watch/learn more about how some players deal with such armies, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/THGWs

you should join the events that are hosted by this steam group each week.

[DeliCiousTZM]

its very weak, its very static in the sense that you can be easily overwhelmed on all sides

@Mahakar if you ever find yourself doing nothing @20 GMT and wanna try/watch/learn more about how some players deal with such armies, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/THGWs

you should join the events that are hosted by this steam group each week.

You talking crazy i outnumber them with my naginatas 2 to 1 easy. Everything can be overwhelmed that dont really mean anything.

[TheCrazyCat]

You talking crazy i outnumber them with my naginatas 2 to 1 easy. Everything can be overwhelmed that dont really mean anything.

your talking about campaign arent you?

[krisslanza]

It's crazy how Naginata samurai cost less then Warrior Nuns, and yet seem way, way, way better. That darn armor.

[TheCrazyCat]

It's crazy how Naginata samurai cost less then Warrior Nuns, and yet seem way, way, way better. That darn armor.

ya armor helps in alot of ways, since nagi sams have really high armor they can withstand charges even from the rear, take less casualties from arrows, and adds to their melee defense making them really overall annoying to fight

[CptAustus]

ya armor helps in alot of ways, since nagi sams have really high armor they can withstand charges even from the rear, take less casualties from arrows, and adds to their melee defense making them really overall annoying to fight

There's a bit of a catch with naginata samurai. I have noticed this happening to my opponents and to myself, if they are "kept busy", their fight might last so long your army will be dead and they will be still engaged, making them easy to outflank.

[TheCrazyCat]

There's a bit of a catch with naginata samurai. I have noticed this happening to my opponents and to myself, if they are "kept busy", their fight might last so long your army will be dead and they will be still engaged, making them easy to outflank.

hmm im just referring to their overall no real weakness

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Try archers and light cavalry

[Knoloai]

Nagi sams have a huge weakness : They are slow.

They are good at one thing : holding the frontline.

The most effective unit against them is : matchlocks.

Knowing that, you can easily make up a tactic to beat them. Personally, I think that people tend to give too much credit to higly vetted samurai troops, disregarding basic tactics, numeric advantage and speed.
Also only upgrade your troops at what they are good at. Attack and charge for katana units, melee defence and armor for yari/naginata units. You can easily waste a huge amount of koku by over upgrading your units or giving them unneeded upgrades.
The only way to counter a naginata charge is to use units which are better than them at holding the front line. Some nicely upraded Yari Ashigaru units can easily do that job if they are backed up by a leader ship general.
Matchlocks are anything but situational units. They are good against every non skirmishing unit, if you have a good skirmish component and back it up with your matchlocks, your opponent will be forced to charge you.
When he charge, you only need to get a volley off, retreat your men, form that spear wall, and flank the nagis with your matchlocks supported by spears (yari sam can be a good choice since they are very fast (unlike nagi)) and cavalry.
Know, you can let your matchlocks slaughter the samurais with supports from your cavalry and your katana sam.

[TheCrazyCat]

Nagi sams have a huge weakness : They are slow.

They are good at one thing : holding the frontline.

The most effective unit against them is : matchlocks.

Knowing that, you can easily make up a tactic to beat them. Personally, I think that people tend to give too much credit to higly vetted samurai troops, disregarding basic tactics, numeric advantage and speed.
Also only upgrade your troops at what they are good at. Attack and charge for katana units, melee defence and armor for yari/naginata units. You can easily waste a huge amount of koku by over upgrading your units or giving them unneeded upgrades.
The only way to counter a naginata charge is to use units which are better than them at holding the front line. Some nicely upraded Yari Ashigaru units can easily do that job if they are backed up by a leader ship general.
Matchlocks are anything but situational units. They are good against every non skirmishing unit, if you have a good skirmish component and back it up with your matchlocks, your opponent will be forced to charge you.
When he charge, you only need to get a volley off, retreat your men, form that spear wall, and flank the nagis with your matchlocks supported by spears (yari sam can be a good choice since they are very fast (unlike nagi)) and cavalry.
Know, you can let your matchlocks slaughter the samurais with supports from your cavalry and your katana sam.

its not really a huge weakness really, depending on the units your opponent combines with his nagi sam then matchlocks wont always be useful in your game.

However you need a fair amount of matchlocks to make them less of a situational unit, the more you have the better you are equipped to fighting nagi sams or any melee rush imo, however i find that if your using 3 guns have 2 spears and 1 sword accompanying them. That way you can tier the guns up just incase cav attacks, and you can use a sword to fight a nagi sam pretty well, preferrably a nodachi for its banzai

[Mahakar]

Yeah, if you can get your opponent to charge head on into a well-vetted spear wall he will loose- at that point you dont even need matchlocks.

This doesnt however specifically address naginatas or exploits their supposed "huge weakness" of being ever so slightly slower than katanas.

[Mahakar]

doublepost-sry

[TheCrazyCat]

Yeah, if you can get your opponent to charge head on into a well-vetted spear wall he will loose- at that point you dont even need matchlocks.

This doesnt however specifically address naginatas or exploits their supposed "huge weakness" of being ever so slightly slower than katanas.

spear wall yari ash < nagi sams

[BoanakO]

If they are Holdfiremd like glorious cheesy RON like to run them they are unbeatable if u loose ur guns....other then that Katana samis and no dachi with proper reteiners beat them....