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Thread: [PASSED: 16th August, 2006] Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

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    Default Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Tostig

    I am patronizing Tostig because he has acknowledged that his resignation was ultimately a mistake and that he his actions were both dishonoring to the Curia, himself, and the house of wilpuri. Furthermore, he is a valued contributor to the general community with his intelligent posting though admittedly he can be scathing (a trait that undoubtedly drew Garb to him).

    Tostig's paragraph:
    Writing a paragraph on why one feels one deserves something comes across as petty and self serving at the best of times, one of the main reasons that in the past I have been opposed to an election system where one nominates oneself. However since I am obliged to write in such a manner I had best try and sum up both the positive and negative facets to my time on the forums. I have always tried to involve myself in discussions with eminence and dignity, spending most of my time in the Ethos, with occasional delving into the VV and the Pit. I believe I first came to the attention of my former patron during the April fools crisis, when I argued on purely utilitarian grounds for the staff to consult the plebeian body more often. After being approached by him I redoubled my efforts to include sources in my posts, and was proposed and passed almost as soon as I had the minimum number of posts. After being bestowed with the rank I continued to post in the same manner, with the occasional wobbles of which I am not so proud. It was around this time that I started a tradition that I maintain to this day of linking to my threads that I find the most interesting in my signature, in order to advertise them and being them reborn again every so often. Unfortunately with time I began to get more and more involved in the politics of the curia, until in a fit of duty I buried myself in the situation I find myself in today. I have already written about it for imb, and so I let that stand as the more negative side of my contribution. More encouragingly my contributions to the site still stand, and I consider the amount of input that I made, even after quitting, to stand as a testament to my involvement with and esteem for this forum.
    About Tostig's abdicating the Civitate rank:
    First of all I suppose I must return to my actions which have caused this. As you will have gathered I have been opposed to many of the changes of in the Curia as of late, and much of my opposition has been directed towards this body – certainly not a good start, but one is frank. However as I tried to lay down my position I became increasingly exasperated by the litigious, bureaucratic and occasionally obtuse surroundings I found myself in. For reasons I have laid out I imprudent but sincerely resigned from the Curia.

    Increasingly however I am finding out how thoughtless I was. Not only have I deserted the body which I intended to ameliorate, but I also lost the respect and regard of my former peers. In light of this I see myself as having no choice but to come before them humbled and ask for clemency.

    I still have my principles – I am not saying that I did not realise the consequences of what I did, or that I was drunk at the time. I acted soberly and coherently and have found myself to be wrong. One cannot change the world instantaneously, but that is no reason to turn ones back on it and live in a fantasy of ones own construction.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    I voted to abstain but I may change it to 'no'. He resigned his rank and now wants it back because he says it was a mistake. Well, deal with your mistake for now. You can still be the same person without having the badge.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    If you change it to a no, tell me so I can edit it in.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Yes, from me. He is someone who desperately wants to improve the site. He has ideas and argues coherently. If that attitude was taken all the time, I would not be here. I resigned from the Praetor Rank a few weeks ago, but reconsidered after a night's sleep. Someitmes we make poor decisions when not on top form...

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    i got no problem with him. although his desertion has been noted as a negative action. If he can outweigh the negative with positive actions, then fine, let's have him back.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Archer - two votes...

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    The Hex is with him,. Yes.
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    Yes.Like i sayd in the other thread.Everybody makes mistakes.Tostig´s actions altough, mostly harmed himself, so i think he deserves another chance.

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    Voted against. For all the obvious reasons. Easiest vote ever.
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Change my vote to 'no' please. He resigned his rank.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Lord Rahl's vote has been changed.

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    Voted No. For reasons that should also be obvious.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    He's learned his mistake. And although the message he tried to instill was valid, the manner in which he tried to do so was not the most appropriate. He tried to pull off a peaceful protest to the institution (otherwise known as the Curia) which went a bit sour. He has not disgraced anyone and his intentions were not negative. I vote yes.
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Tostig has been reintroduced to soon. For this reason I abstain.

    In the precedent case of GrimSta I voted against.

    I believe the civitateship is not a dirty kleenex to be discarded and picked up at will.... if he resigned for drama's sake let him stay out.
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    At present he does not have majority.... I will leave this open for a day and fail him.

    Mimirswell are you ready to notify him?
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Normally I would abstain but in the current circumstances I vote yes. He is a good, constructive contributor to the site so I say yes let him in.

    He's a lucky little Tostig....
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    He shouldn't be lucky in order to become a Civitate.

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    He should be a great poster..... which he is petty politics aside.
    Well, if I, Belisarius, the Black Prince, and you all agree on something, I really don't think there can be any further discussion.
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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    I have to change my vote from no to abstain, the Syntagma requires that I do so.

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    Default Re: Tostig (Patron: Mimirswell)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimirswell
    I have to change my vote from no to abstain, the Syntagma requires that I do so.

    Why is it listed as no?
    Well, if I, Belisarius, the Black Prince, and you all agree on something, I really don't think there can be any further discussion.
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