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    I watched the films first, was still too young to read the books though I did try. The films made me fall in love with Lord of the rings, I honestly have no idea how many times I watched them. As I grew older and read the books it was even better, there were so many new things I learnt from them and it just sends your imagination racing even though I had pre-formed images in my head. Now I have moved onto the audiobooks by Phil Dragash and in my opinion he has done a fantastic job, even though it is inspired by the films.

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    Hobbit book -> LotR movies -> LotR books -> The Sil would be my recommendation. Hobbit movies are poor and should be viewed last.

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    Those films should be burned with their creator.

    Nuff said.

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    Some information on the Tolkien biopic: https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/commen..._tolkien_film/

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    I recently picked up The Fall of Gondolin which contains some beautiful illustrations and I think most notably the original version of the tale along with some commentary by Christopher Tolkien about when the tales were conceived, why they were abandoned and some discussion about changes throughout the various versions.

    What surprised me most about the original tale that featured in the book is that I feel it gave some level of insight into the thoughts of Tolkien himself based on the time it was written. Now I fully admit this is entirely conjecture on my part but hear me out:

    In prologue to the book Christopher references a letter that states that

    The Fall of Gondolin(And the birth of Earendil) was written in hospital and on leave after surviving the battle of Somme in 1916
    Christopher's commentary goes on to comment that there are some minor inconsistencies with this specific timing but agrees that it would be around 1916-1917. Why I think this is important is because it struck me that the battles in the original tale are exceptionally detailed, every page once the siege begins is filled with tales of heroic sacrifices, characters fighting valiantly against evil monstrosities and impossible odds. Now as we all well know the fight scenes in both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are vary sparse in details and this is accredited to Tolkien's distaste for war and conflict from his own personal experience many years earlier. But then we get this tale written in the midst of that conflict he experienced and he writes incredible detail of our heroes valiantly fighting the forces of evil. I think this shows that the younger Tolkien had a slightly different view of war and conflict than what appeared 20 years later in The Hobbit, this story to me I think shows a man who doesn't entirely detest conflict, but yearns for something closer to that of classical tales with heroes fighting to their last for a great cause. In any case there's certainly a stark contrast between the publication of this original tale and the rest of his works where battles are simply summarised in a single paragraph and I personally think that has to do with a change in his perspective on the whole thing.

    What do you all think?

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    A recent Rotten tomatoes editorial about the upcoming Amazon series. Interesting, I think, although it's a mix of new info and stuff that we already have seen (here).

    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com...amazon-series/

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    Some information about the show from Tom Shippey: https://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/3...g-lotronprime/

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Howe
    The show runners are determined to remain faithful to the existing trilogies and the spirit of the books.
    https://narniafans.com/2019/08/inter...ner-john-howe/

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    Interesting news!!

    I was redescovering some lore of the silmarillion:

    Now Melkor began the delving and building of a vast fortress, deep under Earth, beneath dark mountains where the beams of Illuin were cold and dim. That stronghold was named Utumno. And though the Valar knew naught of it as yet, nonetheless the evil of Melkor and the blight of his hatred flowed out thence, and the Spring of Arda was marred. Green things fell sick and rotted, and rivers were choked with weeds and slime, and fens were made, rank and poisonous, the breeding place of flies; and forests grew dark and perilous, the haunts of fear; and beasts became monsters of horn and ivory and dyed the earth with blood. Then the Valar knew indeed that Melkor was at work again, and they sought for his hiding place.

    The Valaquenta, The Silmarillion
    What do you think about that beasts that became monster of horn and ivory?
    Could they be the ancestors of mumakils, great beats and also the ancient nameless things?
    Do you have informations or images about this phase of the first age?
    What about the creatures which valar made?

    It's similar to a prestoric age of Arda...


    Hope there are some notes left by Tolkien or his son explained this things..

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