Russian Federation, once again, proves it's not a free country.

[Kanaric]

First Russia decides that it must protect religious institutions in order to throw the political dissidents Pussy Riot into jail. Violating their human rights and freedoms with a ridiculously long prison sentence that you would suspect to see in an undemocratic country.

Then Russia is upset that the US claims that they have corrupt politicians who violate human rights, meanwhile years earlier Putin once claimed that HAARP in the United States is some Command and Conquer super weapon built to control world weather in order to use as some super villain nefarious means. Of course since it gives Putin something to rile people up with his government passes a ban on adoption of Russian children by US citizens despite he claimed the US was Bond villain earlier.

Now they have officially banned a youtube video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1894479.html


It seems the rights and freedoms of the Russian people is really going down the toilet and every action you are hearing from this country seems to be either spiteful behavior, like this child adoption bill, or ridiculous acts of control and propaganda like throwing those Pussy Riot girls into jail for something that might just be a misdemeanor of trespassing in any free country if they were told to leave.


Whats ridiculous with the US claims of human rights violations is that THEY ARE VIOLATING HUMAN RIGHTS. Yet when Putin claims the US is building some super weapon meant to control world weather it's not even in the news because such claims are ignored by a sane society. I wonder how the Russians would react if Obama made similar claims?

It seems Russia is continuously sliding down a slope, where will it lead?

[Heinz Guderian]

the article you posted is from September. It said the new law was coming in Nov 1st. Did it actually lead to the banning of the video?

Can any Russians on here tell us if they can view the video?

[Arch]

Watching a youtube video is not the definition of being free. In Sweden I pay marginal 56% in taxes of my total productivity, and if I refuse the state drags me to jail where I would get beaten and raped.

My point? There is only freedom in this world on the moon. I would say that living in Russia is a lot more free than many other western countries. Being free is subjective, and I find your use of the term very corrupted. Perhaps too much liberal media.

[Gatsby]

Watching a youtube video is not the definition of being free. In Sweden I pay marginal 56% in taxes of my total productivity, and if I refuse the state drags me to jail where I would get beaten and raped.

My point? There is only freedom in this world on the moon. I would say that living in Russia is a lot more free than many other western countries. Being free is subjective, and I find your use of the term very corrupted. Perhaps too much liberal media.

Yes we all know how difficult and oppressive things are in Sweden. Its not like the country has a marvellous standard of living, social mobility, democracy,or anything like that.

The big bad state just takes 56% of your money, and dumps it into the Baltic.

[ash874]

Watching a youtube video is not the definition of being free. In Sweden I pay marginal 56% in taxes of my total productivity, and if I refuse the state drags me to jail where I would get beaten and raped.

My point? There is only freedom in this world on the moon. I would say that living in Russia is a lot more free than many other western countries. Being free is subjective, and I find your use of the term very corrupted. Perhaps too much liberal media.

maybe you only get as much as you get so that you are able to pay the tax
maybe if there was no tax you would earn half as much as you do

[brandbll]

Watching a youtube video is not the definition of being free. In Sweden I pay marginal 56% in taxes of my total productivity, and if I refuse the state drags me to jail where I would get beaten and raped.

My point? There is only freedom in this world on the moon. I would say that living in Russia is a lot more free than many other western countries. Being free is subjective, and I find your use of the term very corrupted. Perhaps too much liberal media.

Seeing as you can't even walk in the open on the Moon without decompressing and dying rapidly, i'd say you are hardly free at all...

[Heinz Guderian]

There was also this article about the US today in the Guardian

It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves. The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.

none of us are free my brother. Here in the UK you can get arrested for making a joke about a current news event or saying something bad about soldiers serving abroad. Soon we'll be having drones in the skies above Britian and they are trying to pass a law to make it legal to snoop on all UK citizens' internet usage. Not terrorists, brown people, muslims, but all Brits.

[s.rwitt]

There was also this article about the US today in the Guardian



none of us are free my brother. Here in the UK you can get arrested for making a joke about a current news event or saying something bad about soldiers serving abroad. Soon we'll be having drones in the skies above Britian and they are trying to pass a law to make it legal to snoop on all UK citizens' internet usage. Not terrorists, brown people, muslims, but all Brits.

lol, ****ing Guardian, man...love those guys.

[justicar5]

There was also this article about the US today in the Guardian



none of us are free my brother. Here in the UK you can get arrested for making a joke about a current news event or saying something bad about soldiers serving abroad. Soon we'll be having drones in the skies above Britian and they are trying to pass a law to make it legal to snoop on all UK citizens' internet usage. Not terrorists, brown people, muslims, but all Brits.

Holy crap. This treason in the FBI goes unpunished ofc. Not mass prosecution for conspiracy to pervert the course aof justice and conspiracy to murder, as this clearly and unarguably is. No, because they do it for big business rather than against their treason prospers, multi national corporations again reveal themselves to be hostile foreign entities and people cooperating with them in repression and espionage (which this is) should be treated as agents of that hostile power, exactly as a Iranian spy would be.

The only time an employee of the corporations should be in contact with LEO is as a defendant.

[The Despondent Mind]

Why is this a news ? It's not like Russia is the Mother Of Democracy and it gets corrupted .


All I see is country that was never democratic , being undemocratic .

[magpie]

I suppose Russia has finally copped onto having to deal with the ageing demographic of its population.
Exporting Russian babies to The U.S. is not a smart move these days. For that matter its not a smart move by any of the European nations.
As it appears that the U.S. does not have a follow up check on these children once adopted, Some of them fell into the wrong hands and died because of it.
Of course there is always the money angle with a lot of these adoptions, Many private agencies make a lot of cash from the baby trade.
Regarding lack of freedom in the Russian Federation I suspect censorship and citizen surveillance is no worse than most of the western world countries.
There are probably more surveillance camera's overlooking citizens movements in London or New York than in Moscow or St Petersburg.

[Kanaric]

The thing is in Russia they are immature like small Balkan microstates who argue over nation names and and other frivoluous nonsense. Russia can freely insult Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Belarus, and the US but you say something truthful like they violated the human rights of those poor Pussy Riot girls they pass their butthurt into law unanimously. You would not see behavior like this in sane states like the UK, Germany, France, or the US. MAYBE the republicans might behave such a way in the US and the fact that it's something that might be too low for them but yet in Russia their nationalistic immaturity is passed unanimously and without argument is ridiculous. This really is as ridiculous as banning Shariah law in Oklahoma but Russia runs in such a way on a national scale.

I should expect something better than Balkan style immature nationalism from a large nation like Russia.

Whats sad is that this is what people there want. This is how they want to be run. Not the vast majority, as we are shown by protests, but clearly enough people to allow these people to be elected and to allow their country to be run in such a way.

Things have gone so backwards in that country, dissidents jailed, opposite government supporters murdered, Iran style propaganda diplomacy denouncing foreign supervillain weapons. It is ridiculous. This country is insane.

As it appears that the U.S. does not have a follow up check on these children once adopted, Some of them fell into the wrong hands and died because of it.

.001% chance of something happening is not a rule.

But then again things are so much better for the 99.998% that would be better off than in such a state as being a Russian orphan. I mean first you have to LIVE in Russia, a slave state with a national maturity level of a 19th century nation and public philosophical maturity of a racist fat man in a track suit, but then you have to be an orphan there.

Regarding lack of freedom in the Russian Federation I suspect censorship and citizen surveillance is no worse than most of the western world countries.

You don't know much about Russia then, political opponents are jailed. Protesters sent to prison.

There are probably more surveillance camera's overlooking citizens movements in London or New York than in Moscow or St Petersburg

Yes, so many of those people are jailed for supporting the Labor party and protesting rights violations too. OH WAIT. That doesn't happen at all in New York or London!

In fact I would be willing to bet ZERO people were jailed for supporting opposition parties. Maybe arrested for protesting but certainly not put into prison for 10 years.

So you would be WRONG, nice strawman though.

[hellheaven1987]

It is not like US is more mature... Magnitsky Bill is quite retarded bill that shows US' unfriendliness towards Russia alone...

[Admiral Piett]

The US isn't the only one that pursued legislation in the aftermath of Sergei Magnitsky's torture and death. Besides, the Russian 'investigations' failed to give place blame or convict anyone. They just either fire them or re-assign them.

[hellheaven1987]

The US isn't the only one that pursued legislation in the aftermath of Sergei Magnitsky's torture and death. Besides, the Russian 'investigations' failed to give place blame or convict anyone. They just either fire them or re-assign them.

Yes, but that is not what Magnitsky Bill about - the new bill simply targets Russia while there are plenty of other corrupted businessmen doing stuff in US. Senator Carl Levin has made a comment clear enough why this bill is not making sense:

"Why would we deny visas only to Russian human rights violators?" he said in a statement. "Why diminish the universality of the values the Magnitsky bill seeks to uphold?"

Source

Hence it is not surprise why Putin responds it harshly - US already made it clear they are not friendly towards Russia, then why bother to act nicely?

[Admiral Piett]

Levin's a moron that supports the indefinite detention of American citizens. And his comments would only incite a serious break down in our relations in nations all across Asia. Think more realistically.

[Exarch]

meanwhile years earlier Putin once claimed that HAARP in the United States is some Command and Conquer super weapon built to control world weather in order to use as some super villain nefarious means.

source?

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

First Russia decides that it must protect religious institutions in order to throw the political dissidents Pussy Riot into jail. Violating their human rights and freedoms with a ridiculously long prison sentence that you would suspect to see in an undemocratic country.

Then Russia is upset that the US claims that they have corrupt politicians who violate human rights, meanwhile years earlier Putin once claimed that HAARP in the United States is some Command and Conquer super weapon built to control world weather in order to use as some super villain nefarious means. Of course since it gives Putin something to rile people up with his government passes a ban on adoption of Russian children by US citizens despite he claimed the US was Bond villain earlier.

Now they have officially banned a youtube video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1894479.html


It seems the rights and freedoms of the Russian people is really going down the toilet and every action you are hearing from this country seems to be either spiteful behavior, like this child adoption bill, or ridiculous acts of control and propaganda like throwing those Pussy Riot girls into jail for something that might just be a misdemeanor of trespassing in any free country if they were told to leave.


Whats ridiculous with the US claims of human rights violations is that THEY ARE VIOLATING HUMAN RIGHTS. Yet when Putin claims the US is building some super weapon meant to control world weather it's not even in the news because such claims are ignored by a sane society. I wonder how the Russians would react if Obama made similar claims?

It seems Russia is continuously sliding down a slope, where will it lead?

Nowhere. Russia has never been democratic in the first place and historically the situation has been much worse for most of the time than it is now. Authoritarianism has been the lasting legacy of the Mongol conquest. What matters to the Russians, though, is the rapid economic growth and development the country has been experiencing under Putin and the fact that their military and political prestige that was shattered in the 90s has been restored to a large extent.

Perhaps you should be more concerned about the fact that your own once freeer country has devolved to institutionalised violations of human, political and civil rights since 2001, or the subjugation of your political system to the banking establishment post 2008 (on top of it being shaped by powerful lobbies), as well as about traditional malfunctions of your society like criminality and racism. You know, people in glass houses throwing stones and all...

[JP226]

First Russia decides that it must protect religious institutions in order to throw the political dissidents Pussy Riot into jail. Violating their human rights and freedoms with a ridiculously long prison sentence that you would suspect to see in an undemocratic country.

As usual Kanaric... you are on a roll. Do you know what Pussy Riot actually did? I'm gonna throw this out there but, let's just say it's NSFW material. Which also means they... had sex in a museum, where one was preggers, and one member shoved a chicken up her vaginal cavity in a grocery store. If there was anything that ever had a russian side to the story, it'd be this one. Not saying I love the Ivans by any means, they ar the greatest military threat to the US, but... in this one I'm not opposed to instituting the rule of law and if it's siberia, well that;s the country they live in. You want to have sex with Chickens, by all means go to Germany, they love that . Especially when it irks the old USSR.

[Garbarsardar]

As usual Kanaric... you are on a roll. Do you know what Pussy Riot actually did? I'm gonna throw this out there but, let's just say it's NSFW material. Which also means they... had sex in a museum, where one was preggers, and one member shoved a chicken up her vaginal cavity in a grocery store. If there was anything that ever had a russian side to the story, it'd be this one.

Removing their winter clothes, they put on colorful balaclavas, walked up the steps leading to the altar, and began to jump around, punching the air.[44] After less than a minute, they were escorted outside the building by guards-sourced

They were not convicted for wrongful use of poultry, right? Neither for having sex while being pregnant.

Not saying I love the Ivans by any means, they ar the greatest military threat to the US, but... in this one I'm not opposed to instituting the rule of law and if it's siberia,

The Ivans? Greatest military threat? Did I walk an Einstein-Rosen bridge and I am in the 50's having a session with Joe McCarthy?

You want to have sex with Chickens, by all means go to Germany, they love that . Especially when it irks the old USSR.

I'm sure there are German members here who can confer their view on that. I asked my German friends but unfortunately none was particularly fond of feathery encounters.

well that;s the country they live in.

I hope this sentence is not copyrighted, since it is perfect for answering every thread in the mudpit and other fora, probably.